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Re:What the debate about Neanderthals reveals about us by renewiltord on Friday September 22, 2023 @02:37PM (#37615911)
Something I liked from Sapiens is this idea of how all these other hominids existed and we whacked them. In some sense, we had aliens among us and we killed them and vilified them. It would have been so cool to have seen alternative related species, but I suppose this was a winner-take-all market.

It may be that describing our victims as villains (itself such a word) is an adaptive trait.

In that vein, "anyone who downvotes this is a moron"!

Re:What the debate about Neanderthals reveals about us by stewbrew on Friday September 22, 2023 @03:17PM (#37616441)
Or maybe they had sex, interbred, and nobody cared until some white anthropologist from an elitist school came along.
Re:What the debate about Neanderthals reveals about us by carlosjobim on Friday September 22, 2023 @04:16PM (#37617191)
But at least racial hatred lives on – not least in your comment.
Re:What the debate about Neanderthals reveals about us by edgyquant on Friday September 22, 2023 @05:10PM (#37617833)
Replace the word white with Jewish and maybe you’ll realize how fucked up your belief system is
Re:What the debate about Neanderthals reveals about us by stewbrew on Saturday September 23, 2023 @01:26AM (#37620772)
I assume you are from the US with little knowledge of history. Neander (ever wondered where the Neanderthals got their name from) was German. Early anthropologists were German or French. So yes, early anthropologists were all (really) white Europeans.

BTW I'm actually surprised you wouldn't think of Jews as "white". But I'm not familiar with US American raceology. Are you from the white supremacy fraction?

But all of this misses the point of my statement.

Re:What the debate about Neanderthals reveals about us by jsndidneske on Friday September 22, 2023 @03:21PM (#37616487)
Well... if it is any solace to you, as time moved forward the way we valued life, saw mortality and death in ouraelves and others, what we value, has changed.

People were violent and death was a much more normal thing.

When we look at it in modern time with all our accumulated knowledge we seek to not cause it. Even tyranical and psycotic individuals hold nihlistic or anarchic philosphies.

Truely to understand the worlds pardigm change over history is multifaceted in regard to demographics, and skills aquired, and scarcites and suppluses come into effect too.

Re:What the debate about Neanderthals reveals about us by adr1an on Friday September 22, 2023 @04:06PM (#37617062)
Technically those 'aliens' were humans too. Different species, same genera. We had interbreeding with them, though it's a small proportion of neanderthal and some other species dna that were discovered.
Re:What the debate about Neanderthals reveals about us by nextaccountic on Friday September 22, 2023 @04:30PM (#37617354)
I like to believe that we viewed them as close as another ethnicity, rather than a different species altogheter
Re:What the debate about Neanderthals reveals about us by edgyquant on Friday September 22, 2023 @04:33PM (#37617384)
Doubtful. They were probably viewed as demons
Re:What the debate about Neanderthals reveals about us by hutzlibu on Friday September 22, 2023 @05:13PM (#37617870)
Possible. The native americans had (have?) the word ghost to describe the europeans who conquered their land.
Re:What the debate about Neanderthals reveals about us by kej on Friday September 22, 2023 @05:58PM (#37618331)
You don't get 1.5-2% neanderthal genes in modern humans by viewing them as demons.
Re:What the debate about Neanderthals reveals about us by edgyquant on Friday September 22, 2023 @07:27PM (#37619093)
According to whom? Doesn’t seem out of the question for people to both have viewed them as demons or monsters and for certain people to have mated with them
Re:What the debate about Neanderthals reveals about us by nobody9999 on Friday September 22, 2023 @07:45PM (#37619203)
>According to whom? Doesn’t seem out of the question for people to both have viewed them as demons or monsters and for certain people to have mated with them

cf. The Gnarly Man[0][1] by L. Sprague de Camp. It's fiction, but addresses that facet of potential interactions between hominid species.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gnarly_Man

[1] https://www.galacticjourney.org/stories/600411gnarly.htm

Re:What the debate about Neanderthals reveals about us by NoZebra120vClip on Friday September 22, 2023 @11:01PM (#37620258)
Genesis 6:1-4 NABRE

When human beings began to grow numerous on the earth and daughters were born to them,

the sons of God saw how beautiful the daughters of human beings were, and so they took for their wives whomever they pleased.

Then the LORD said: My spirit shall not remain in human beings forever, because they are only flesh. Their days shall comprise one hundred and twenty years.

The Nephilim appeared on earth in those days, as well as later, after the sons of God had intercourse with the daughters of human beings, who bore them sons. They were the heroes of old, the men of renown.

Numbers 13:32-33

They spread discouraging reports among the Israelites about the land they had reconnoitered, saying, “The land that we went through and reconnoitered is a land that consumes its inhabitants. And all the people we saw there are huge.

There we saw the Nephilim (the Anakim are from the Nephilim); in our own eyes we seemed like mere grasshoppers, and so we must have seemed to them.”

Re:What the debate about Neanderthals reveals about us by drpgq on Friday September 22, 2023 @07:36PM (#37619153)
Succubus?
Re:What the debate about Neanderthals reveals about us by dragonwriter on Friday September 22, 2023 @07:52PM (#37619255)
> You don't get 1.5-2% neanderthal genes in modern humans by viewing them as demons.

Hostile othering of populations doesn't stop interbreeding among anatomically modern human subpopulations, so I doubt it would between other interfertile parts of the human family.

Re:What the debate about Neanderthals reveals about us by nextaccountic on Sunday September 24, 2023 @12:37AM (#37630173)
It's not too unusual for a group to regard members of another specific hostile group as "demons". My point is that there are many other possibilities.
Re:What the debate about Neanderthals reveals about us by ericmcer on Friday September 22, 2023 @04:10PM (#37617115)
Was it an intentional genocide? Or was it repetitions of human/neanderthal clashes that resulted in us wiping out male neanderthals and breeding with the females until their genetic contribution got reduced to current levels (~2% on the high end). I guess technically we are still slowly killing them off every time someone with a high % procreates with someone who has none.
Re:What the debate about Neanderthals reveals about us by Jensson on Friday September 22, 2023 @05:30PM (#37618050)
Evidence points towards the opposite, Neanderthal males bred with us but Neanderthal females didn't.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC368159/

We don't know why, but that would suggest we didn't conquer them, maybe our males didn't find their females attractive enough to have sex with. Neanderthals are more masculine looking than us, so their males would be attractive, but their females maybe looked too much like males to us.

Re:What the debate about Neanderthals reveals about us by slashdev on Friday September 22, 2023 @07:36PM (#37619156)
Or maybe it means it wasn’t consensual.
Re:What the debate about Neanderthals reveals about us by sokoloff on Saturday September 23, 2023 @11:25AM (#37624102)
> maybe our males didn't find their females attractive enough to have sex with

That seems like an extraordinarily unlikely hypothesis.

Re:What the debate about Neanderthals reveals about us by mharig on Sunday September 24, 2023 @02:24PM (#37635756)
Do you know the thing with horses and donkeys?