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Re:The Age of the Grift Shift by throwaway290 on Friday September 22, 2023 @09:13AM (#37611601)
The grifters are car dealers in this case, increasingly. Mfgs create value.

Not unlike how writers/artists created a bunch of value and ClosedAI and similar are grifts built on top of them. except unlike car mfgs authors don't have much pull to stop it

Re:The Age of the Grift Shift by sleepybrett on Friday September 22, 2023 @10:31AM (#37612573)
... and there isn't a person in the US that doesn't hate car dealers (including other car dealers).
Re:The Age of the Grift Shift by PaulHoule on Friday September 22, 2023 @10:48AM (#37612782)
We had a Toyota dealer in our town that both customers and former employees speak reverently of.

Some of those employees jumped ship to the Honda dealer after the Toyota dealer was bought by the guy who owned all the other car dealerships in town. For a long time the Honda dealer was the only competitor to Maguire, but then Maguire bought the Honda dealer.

Those employees don't speak ill of Maguire but they certainly don't speak about in him in glowing terms.