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Re:Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month by 542458 on Thursday September 21, 2023 @09:48PM (#37606930)
I agree with most everything else you’ve said, but I feel like I’m using a different windows than everyone else when they talk about “forced reboots”. This never happens to me! I’ve seen prompts, but they were always able to be delayed. Is it something that only kicks in if you go an ages without manually rebooting?

At a certain point though, I’d say forcing users to install security updates is the user-centered option.

Re:Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month by stelonix on Thursday September 21, 2023 @11:15PM (#37607411)
I've been using Windows 10 for the past year and a 4 months now, after some 10 years 100% on Linux. I had to disable a weird setting which would forcefully update and reboot the computer when it considered to be "Not Active". I believe it was called "Active Hours" and by default had no way to turn off: you had to choose some hours of the day when you're supposedly not using it. Lost some work like this and had to do some tinkering, not sure if register or otherwise. Or maybe I just disabled automatic updates I guess.

So, in conclusion, no, an OS taking control off my hands forcefully is not user-centered, no matter how much in programming circles updates are seen as "crucial". Nothing is more crucial than the computer being predictable to its owner.

Re:Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month by Kye on Thursday September 21, 2023 @11:20PM (#37607432)
People forget the security hell that preceded Microsoft's obsession with updates. You get half the internet's bandwidth used by a worm or you get forced updates. I haven't seen anyone propose a viable compromise.
Re:Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month by spongebobstoes on Friday September 22, 2023 @02:48AM (#37608716)
the right solution is updates that don't require any restart or service interruption. but that is technically difficult atm
Re:Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month by LightHugger on Friday September 22, 2023 @08:31AM (#37611134)
Obviously auto security updates, and make the other updates optional. Microsoft does not bundle the security and "feature"/telemetry updates for your benefit.
Re:Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month by wpm on Thursday September 21, 2023 @11:48PM (#37607606)
It’s not when it reboots in the middle of the night while you had open documents and apps, and the OS didn’t save any of that.

However, the forced reboots are trivial to disable in Group Policy.

Re:Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month by iopq on Friday September 22, 2023 @05:25AM (#37609819)
I can't use Group Policy because when I upgraded from Windows 8, it upgraded to Home edition

it's Home edition because that's what came with the laptop's Windows 8, it was never an issue on Windows 8 because you could disable stuff on Windows 8 without using Group Policy

Re:Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month by Rovoska on Friday September 22, 2023 @06:15AM (#37610161)
There are several ways to safely enable it on home.