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Re:Adobe will charge “credits” for generative AI by baz00 on Saturday September 16, 2023 @06:39PM (#37539503)
You can run this on an M2 Mac Studio. That’ll be consumer level hardware in a few years.
Re:Adobe will charge “credits” for generative AI by Closi on Saturday September 16, 2023 @06:49PM (#37539578)
Run what? Adobe's offering is cloud-only, and I don't think the hardware requirements are disclosed.
Re:Adobe will charge “credits” for generative AI by unixhero on Saturday September 16, 2023 @07:00PM (#37539665)
The models obviously. Thsse are for the most part available open source on Github
Re:Adobe will charge “credits” for generative AI by ShrigmaMale on Saturday September 16, 2023 @07:06PM (#37539721)
Firefly models are not publicly available. The integration with creative cloud apps is not customizable. You can't point it to a local stablediffusion setup. Open-source competitors will flop just like GIMP.
Re:Adobe will charge “credits” for generative AI by nickthegreek on Sunday September 17, 2023 @11:31AM (#37546107)
Fyi, there are Adobe plugins that do allow y you to use a local SD install.
Re:Adobe will charge “credits” for generative AI by ShrigmaMale on Sunday September 17, 2023 @04:41PM (#37549091)
I mean that sounds good and cool and worth trying for the average hackernews, but not for the average adobe user. Like people are not paying for AI tech to get the 80% mostly-there version, they're paying for the 100% spit-and-polished end product that has the 80% of the work needed to achieve the last 20% of productizing. Consumers have demonstrated over and over they will pay a lot more to avoid dicking around with stuff and professionals can have an even stronger tendency to do this bc their time has a cost.
Re:Adobe will charge “credits” for generative AI by wayfinder on Saturday September 16, 2023 @06:54PM (#37539625)
I have an M1 but I first remember thinking it was very impressive that my Mac could run these AI models…

…until I tried the same on my RTX 4070 and it made my Mac look like a joke.

For the 30 seconds my Mac would have taken for 1 result, which will probably need revising, the RTX would give me 30 results.

However the RTX was half the cost of my Mac, so it’s not a good investment if I just want to generate some images. I’d rather pay for the cloud if I didn’t have the RTX already.

Re:Adobe will charge “credits” for generative AI by teaearlgraycold on Saturday September 16, 2023 @07:05PM (#37539712)
Which M1? That makes a big difference. And the Mac Studio runs the M2 Pro/Max/Ultra.
Re:Adobe will charge “credits” for generative AI by internet101010 on Saturday September 16, 2023 @08:05PM (#37540127)
Yeah my M1 Max is about as fast as my old 1070, at 24 steps per image it comes out to little over 2 images per minute. My new 4090 does an image per second.
Re:Adobe will charge “credits” for generative AI by liuliu on Saturday September 16, 2023 @11:02PM (#37541101)
It should be about 6 images per minutes (for SD v1 at 512x512) and 1 image per minute on SDXL for the said hardware (M1 Max): https://engineering.drawthings.ai/integrating-metal-flashatt...
Re:Adobe will charge “credits” for generative AI by anonylizard on Saturday September 16, 2023 @07:35PM (#37539917)
M2 will be a joke for the AI models of the future.

The actual best image AI, midjourney, is probably a gigantic model under the hood, that takes 8 A100s to run (Aka more than 100GB VRAM). That's why their quality is leaps and bounds above stable diffusion XL, its because the model size simply allows for it.

Model sizes continuously grow to exploit the available hardware to the limit. Midjourney and GPT-4 have both proven that model quality is decisive to success and paying customers, so consumer hardware can never catchup to whatever Nvidia sells to the cloud.

Re:Adobe will charge “credits” for generative AI by l33t7332273 on Saturday September 16, 2023 @08:15PM (#37540196)
How much vram does an a100 have? The M2 ultra has more than 100 GB.
Re:Adobe will charge “credits” for generative AI by AuryGlenz on Saturday September 16, 2023 @08:50PM (#37540395)
I don’t think I’d say Midjourney is “leaps and bounds” above SDXL. It’s better overall, but SDXL closed the gap a significant amount.
Re:Adobe will charge “credits” for generative AI by polygamous_bat on Saturday September 16, 2023 @09:23PM (#37540540)
> The actual best image AI, midjourney, is probably a gigantic model under the hood, that takes 8 A100s to run

Do you have any source for this speculation? In my experience image models are always much smaller than language and even the largest llama will fit in a smaller GPU machine than that.

Re:Adobe will charge “credits” for generative AI by GaggiX on Saturday September 16, 2023 @09:30PM (#37540580)
>The actual best image AI, midjourney, is probably a gigantic model under the hood, that takes 8 A100s to run (Aka more than 100GB VRAM)

Unet are really expensive to run compare to a regular GPT model and they are compute-bound thx to convolution, a reason why no one has trained a unet that comes close to consume 100GB of VRAM during inference. I doubt that MJ is much bigger than SD XL, it's good but not revolutionary.

Re:Adobe will charge “credits” for generative AI by saberience on Sunday September 17, 2023 @02:59AM (#37542261)
Have you tried actually downloading SD and all the various custom models and tools?

For me it kicks the shit out of Midjourney in flexibility and quality. I can make more images of higher quality, faster and cheaper.

Re:Adobe will charge “credits” for generative AI by gmerc on Sunday September 17, 2023 @03:27AM (#37542428)
Midjourney trades flexibility for consistent quality and consumer accessibility.

An optimized XL model in the hands of an expert beats it, handily.

And Adobe sells to experts, not consumers for the most part.

Re:Adobe will charge “credits” for generative AI by baz00 on Sunday September 17, 2023 @04:41AM (#37542869)
I suspect that the energy cost will be the limiting factor here. Which will constrain models eventually.