Re:Show HN: Every Breath You Take – Heart Rate Variability T...
by kbre93 on Saturday September 16, 2023 @05:14PM
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As you breath more slowly, heart rate oscillations (i.e. the variability) increase, which is a reflection of the parasympathetic nervous system activating (the "rest and digest" response). This can help to mediate the stress response, which from the sympathetic nervous system or the fight-or-flight response.
Re:Show HN: Every Breath You Take – Heart Rate Variability T...
by sirsinsalot on Saturday September 16, 2023 @05:21PM
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It is interesting that I, and many others, experience our digestive cycle as anxiety.
At certain points in my digestion, my HR spikes, anxiety spikes, impending doom sensations occur.
These are also sensations that happen with pre-stroke SNS responses.
Rest and digest, indeed!
Re:Show HN: Every Breath You Take – Heart Rate Variability T...
by polishdude20 on Saturday September 16, 2023 @05:26PM
(#37538865)
I get something similar in that I start to feel a tiredness come on about 2-5 mins before I start to get gas pains. If I don't help that gas along (by moving or pushing on my stomach) in short order, it turns into me needing to run for the toilet. It's as if the trapped gas, left untreated, triggers a rapid digestive emptying. Or, the cases where I can receive the gas, there's no other contents in the way. The cases where I can't relieve it, well, there's lots of stuff in the way.
Anyways the thing is that I get super tired before the pain in my stomach is even noticed. I've become attuned to it where it now gives me anxiety when it comes on.
Re:Show HN: Every Breath You Take – Heart Rate Variability T...
by sebasvisser on Saturday September 16, 2023 @06:10PM
(#37539266)
Your hyper sensitivity to the gas’s might actually cause the stress, which in turn causes more symptoms. Find a way to relax and let the gas be.
Find what works for you: mindfulness, sports, hypnosis, medication…
However, try first to focus on normalising your perception of the gas.
Re:Show HN: Every Breath You Take – Heart Rate Variability T...
by mtreis86 on Saturday September 16, 2023 @07:08PM
(#37539731)
This is called IBS, and is caused by bacteria digesting certain carbs very rapidly. Identify the foods with a low Fodmap diet, figure out the quantity that doesnt trigger issues, and live mostly normally. I cant eat fructose at all, and only small amounts of garlic or onions.
Re:Show HN: Every Breath You Take – Heart Rate Variability T...
by nerdponx on Saturday September 16, 2023 @09:55PM
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I think the "hypersensitivity" line is BS, or at least it's not a complete explanation. In my and others' cases, the "psychiatric" GI symptoms precede the physiological ones. The only time I ever got a straight answer is when I ended up at the hospital because I was passing out, and they said it was likely some combination of low blood pressure and vagus nerve overstimulation.
Re:Show HN: Every Breath You Take – Heart Rate Variability T...
by polishdude20 on Sunday September 17, 2023 @01:39AM
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Hmm interesting! Maybe I can try measuring my blood pressure during these times of tiredness.
Re:Show HN: Every Breath You Take – Heart Rate Variability T...
by sirsinsalot on Sunday September 17, 2023 @11:16AM
(#37545931)
It is well established that vagus disruption during digestion has all sorts of side effects.
Including anxiety.
Re:Show HN: Every Breath You Take – Heart Rate Variability T...
by nerdponx on Sunday September 17, 2023 @01:46PM
(#37547590)
Right, point being that's not a psychological hypersensitivity, it's a lower level subconscious physiological process.
Re:Show HN: Every Breath You Take – Heart Rate Variability T...
by steve1977 on Saturday September 16, 2023 @07:00PM
(#37539666)
Could this be some kind of food intolerance?
Re:Show HN: Every Breath You Take – Heart Rate Variability T...
by sirsinsalot on Saturday September 16, 2023 @07:47PM
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Sounds like it. I found I was gluten and dairy intolerant and removing those foods helped.
Re:Show HN: Every Breath You Take – Heart Rate Variability T...
by gcanyon on Saturday September 16, 2023 @09:45PM
(#37540666)
I don't interpret that heart rate increase as anxiety, but as the extra workload of digesting food.
Re:Show HN: Every Breath You Take – Heart Rate Variability T...
by sirsinsalot on Sunday September 17, 2023 @11:11AM
(#37545851)
It isn't about assigning meaning, it's about your nervous system having an involuntary anxiety reaction to various physiological changes during food digestion.
Re:Show HN: Every Breath You Take – Heart Rate Variability T...
by gcanyon on Sunday September 17, 2023 @05:25PM
(#37549505)
If you insist. I'm saying I don't have any of the other indicators mentioned -- just the elevated heart rate.
Re:Show HN: Every Breath You Take – Heart Rate Variability T...
by Horffupolde on Saturday September 16, 2023 @05:19PM
(#37538823)
This phenomenon is known as “respiratory sinus arrhythmia” (RSA).
Re:Show HN: Every Breath You Take – Heart Rate Variability T...
by vrc on Saturday September 16, 2023 @06:07PM
(#37539242)
The term is “cardio respiratory coupling”. Basically inspiration increases intrathoracic pressure which triggers the CV control mechanism to think BP is higher via the baroreflex and therefore lower HR. If you take an FFT/PSD of pulse waveforms you will actually see a distinct peak at the breathing frequency. This is how a lot of the finger sleep measurement devices work to track breathing without a chest strap.
Re:Show HN: Every Breath You Take – Heart Rate Variability T...
by ultrarunner on Saturday September 16, 2023 @11:17PM
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This is awesome. I love when people can find a signal in ostensibly disconnected data. This finally answers the nagging question I've had of how my watch can measure my rate of breathing. Thanks for sharing!
Re:Show HN: Every Breath You Take – Heart Rate Variability T...
by eternauta3k on Sunday September 17, 2023 @02:16AM
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> inspiration increases intrathoracic pressure which triggers the CV control mechanism to think BP is higher via the baroreflex and therefore lower HR
But HR is higher during inspiration.
Re:Show HN: Every Breath You Take – Heart Rate Variability T...
by mpreda on Sunday September 17, 2023 @02:44AM
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> inspiration increases intrathoracic pressure which triggers the CV control mechanism to think BP is higher via the baroreflex and therefore lower HR
It seems CRC raises HR during inspiration.
From https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4052709/ "The increase in HR during inspiration is referred to as respiratory sinus arrhythmia (RSA) and the increase in BP as Traube–Hering waves."
So if you breathe in a more regular way, it's also normal that your heart rate will vary a little less, since it follows your breathing cycle.
There's definitely also an effect where slow, regular respiration can help with anxiety. But I'm not sure how much of what the tool is measuring is really tied to stress response, versus just demonstrating this direct inspiration/heart rate correlation