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Re:Jefferson and America's Lost Idea: Natural Aristocracy by meepmorp on Saturday September 16, 2023 @09:48AM (#37534735)
> You seem to be ignoring political realities on the ground by framing it this way.

Could you expand on what you mean here, particularly as regards the comment you're responding to?

Re:Jefferson and America's Lost Idea: Natural Aristocracy by hfuyf65 on Saturday September 16, 2023 @09:59AM (#37534821)
<< By "the people" you mean the leaving aside the ~600,000 enslaved along with all the women and native people who could not vote.

On cell so I don't really want to write a whole essay.

The poster focused exclusively on the excluded without considering that the exclusions that were made with defaults that do not align with today's values. It is almost like complaining about Romans severely puniahing their slaves for disobedience. It completely ignores the reality of the world the person lives in and judges them based on today's expectations.

The 600k op mentioned were not relevant to his 'constituency' or one he seemed to speak for, and, arguably, Jeffeson himself.

From his perspective, they were not more capable set of men.

Re:Jefferson and America's Lost Idea: Natural Aristocracy by istjohn on Saturday September 16, 2023 @11:05AM (#37535417)
Jefferson advocated for the gradual emancipation of all slaves in the United States. He very well knew slavery was an abomination. Nevertheless, he enjoyed its fruits.