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Re:How can we have a proper debate when we no longer speak t... by system7rocks on Thursday September 14, 2023 @11:39PM (#37518035)
Most tweets are dumb. They are a tweet. That website is a mess.

I understand his article. He is bothered that he gets pushback and labeled all sorts of things because of what he writes. It happens. It's life. It's also not new. It's why so many religious/political people chose to create their own publications throughout history to not have to deal with editors/market forces.

Is he incapable of stepping back and understanding that the world is changing? Or looking at the bigger picture? Or thinking critically about the ways this moment mirrors other moments in history?

Re:How can we have a proper debate when we no longer speak t... by itiro on Thursday September 14, 2023 @11:55PM (#37518168)
Constructive inquiry is different than the whine Dawkins is discussing.

He’s saying what you said; people write things, fuck off if you don’t like what they write, trans people, right wing people, liberal people, HN people.

And it’s being spun here as if he doesn’t get the point we all just absorbed reading his article.

Very “you made this? I made this.” meme.

Re:How can we have a proper debate when we no longer speak t... by JellyBeanThief on Friday September 15, 2023 @01:20AM (#37518778)
> Constructive inquiry is different than the whine Dawkins is discussing.

Then Dawkins needs to get off Twitter, because it will never give him what he wants. He hasn't found a problem in society, he's found a problem on Twitter. As it stands, he's yelling at the ceiling because it's blocking his view of the sky. He needs to go outside.

Re:How can we have a proper debate when we no longer speak t... by itiro on Friday September 15, 2023 @02:07AM (#37519111)
You made a grammatically correct point but I’m not sure it’s logically sound.

Human Twitter posters are members of society. How is it possible to wave off their behavior as not a problem in society when those members of society are the problem?

Re:How can we have a proper debate when we no longer speak t... by NoMoreNicksLeft on Friday September 15, 2023 @09:28AM (#37522632)
> Then Dawkins needs to get off Twitter, because it will never give him what he wants.

Don't we all need to do it?

> He hasn't found a problem in society, he's found a problem on Twitter.

The overlap between the two is large enough, that I don't think you can find a non-technical problem on Twitter that isn't also a problem within society itself.

> he's yelling at the ceiling because it's blocking his view of the sky.

Like everyone else.

Re:How can we have a proper debate when we no longer speak t... by jonhohle on Friday September 15, 2023 @12:35AM (#37518480)
Perhaps he feels it’s reasonable to push back against the destruction of language, ethics, and science to support the feelings of a small number of individuals, the vast majority of who’s “identity” is transitory. Instead of trying to force a moment in history, maybe he’s staking his reputation on what he sees as destructive to rational society. Maybe we should be supporting and affirming people for who they are and not what they aren’t.

Delusions - whether about gender, status, race, ability, inferiority, superiority, oppression - should not be celebrated. Terrible things happen under ideologies based on delusion. If that’s the parallel one concludes, who wouldn’t do anything in their power to at least discuss it openly.