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Re:Playing Around with Machine Translation by bugglebeetle on Thursday September 14, 2023 @05:51PM (#37515327)
Eh, I speak both English and Japanese and I would say that what counts as accurate translation is what is most proximate to that threshold of fundamental dissimilarity. Measuring translation accuracy for all languages the same way is more the problem here. There is no such thing as 1-1 to translation. It’s more like 1-(1+n) where n accounts for said distance. For languages with shared origins, n can be fairly small, while for those with entirely separate ones, it can be quite large.

That being said, Japanese to English translation in things like popular culture tends to take far too many liberties, I expect because the culture around Japanese translation in America has a very annoying, Orientalist bent, with people getting off on their “expertise” about a fake exoticism.

Re:Playing Around with Machine Translation by naniwaduni on Thursday September 14, 2023 @06:03PM (#37515431)
The fact that you have to have this conversation strongly implies that the notion of an accurate translation is, no surprise, already heavily strained; you've simply chosen to aim for/accept "most accurate possible translation" as the best you can do, while punting on choice of distance metric and its scale.
Re:Playing Around with Machine Translation by bugglebeetle on Thursday September 14, 2023 @07:40PM (#37516276)
…or simply that words don’t have universal meanings, but general ones that vary by use and context.
Re:Playing Around with Machine Translation by naniwaduni on Thursday September 14, 2023 @07:47PM (#37516334)
Correct. The enumerable configurations of expressible shades of meaning are pretty sparse, and don't line up well between languages.
Re:Playing Around with Machine Translation by bugglebeetle on Thursday September 14, 2023 @10:12PM (#37517406)
…which means “accurate translation” has different meanings relative to the languages you’re referring to, as I first pointed out.
Re:Playing Around with Machine Translation by mcswell on Thursday September 14, 2023 @10:23PM (#37517495)
All your base are belong to us.