Re:Tech Workers Deserve a Union: An Interview with Ethan Mar...
by zaphar on Thursday September 14, 2023 @10:15AM
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Sure they do. But their agency doesn't eliminate yours. You can't control what your employer does. You can control what you do. So the correct thing is to exercise your own agency in response to theirs.
Re:Tech Workers Deserve a Union: An Interview with Ethan Mar...
by lapcat on Thursday September 14, 2023 @10:26AM
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> You can't control what your employer does.
That's precisely the point of unions, though. Individually, you have no control over your employer, but via collective bargaining you do.
Re:Tech Workers Deserve a Union: An Interview with Ethan Mar...
by Jensson on Thursday September 14, 2023 @10:48AM
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So once the collective agrees they want something they will form a union to bargain collectively. But so far developers don't agree about anything so they don't, because the collective feels that they get enough from their individual contracts.
Re:Tech Workers Deserve a Union: An Interview with Ethan Mar...
by Kye on Thursday September 14, 2023 @10:57AM
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A union is like insurance in a situation like this. By the time you need it, it's too late. You needed it to keep things from degrading to that point.
Re:Tech Workers Deserve a Union: An Interview with Ethan Mar...
by Jensson on Thursday September 14, 2023 @11:09AM
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> By the time you need it, it's too late.
Why? Unions work the best when they are formed around a cause everyone cares about, that is how we got workers right in the first case, there is nothing that says you need to form a union when things are good.
Re:Tech Workers Deserve a Union: An Interview with Ethan Mar...
by mplewis on Thursday September 14, 2023 @02:38PM
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Because at the time you want to form a union due to things being bad, your employer already has the workers in a position of fear and control, and they have reasonably free reign to do whatever they want and toe the line of illegality when it comes to intimidating workers who are discussing unionization.
Talk to a union organizer about this. They'll help you understand how this type of monopsony looks to a worker when they're trying to organize.
It's interesting that the manager and/or employer has no apparent agency here.