I guess elections have consequences. Who'd have thought.

And that here in Colombia we elected the first left-wing president in more than 90 years.

I'm always curious how things vary from country to country. What are some hallmarks of the left in Colombia? What are some things they stand form/support that differs from the right?

Being a client state of Washington

Relationship with Venezuela

> nor the attempted January 8 coup succeeded

What effect would this have had?

It appears he intended to get a brazilian supreme court minister arrested, void the election he lost, declare martial law ("intervenção") and extend his first term indefinitely, backed by a military junta.

He was never gonna do any of that. Half the brazilian population practically begged him to do it and he didn't.

How do you know what would he do and what stopped him?

I don't know. I simply don't believe he would have or could have done it. He either lacked the military support for such a thing or he lacked the balls to do it.

It wasn't for a lack of popular support, I'll tell you that. I watched many of my countrymen get on their knees and beg for military intervention. Way too many of them.

He certainly wanted to, but didn't have enough support, especially from foreign nations.

He might actually end up in jail because of his plans to do a coup. We'll have to wait and see.

I agree that's the likely scenario.

I don't doubt he'll end up in jail but I don't think they'll arrest him for that. Of all the extremely dumb shit he's said and done, they rendered him ineligible for his perfectly valid criticism of the electronic voting system. I bet whatever they arrest him for will be an equally inconsequential non-crime. It's like the courts are trying to be ironic.

HN audience, I apologize for this spread of misinformation by the parent, here is some information about it:

> they rendered him ineligible for his perfectly valid criticism of the electronic voting system.

Again, this is a lie, or denying reality:

Bolsonaro systematically attacked the Brazilian voting system, which he has been elected for thirty years (before becoming President).

In 2021, he used the State Television to spread lies about the voting system and saying that If the printed vote was denied by our Congress he will never touch in such subject, another lie by him[0].

In July 2022, he stated that he won the elections in the first turn, saying he had concrete proof about it, which he has never shown. Moreover, in the same month he called ambassadors from 70 countries to spread more lies and question the validity of the Brazilian vote machines[0], which rendered him convicted for Electoral crime. Here is an except from the Electoral Supreme Court Minister Benedito Gonçalves's referendum[1], a rough Google Translate:

"I consider the request to convict the first person investigated, Jair Messias Bolsonaro, partially valid for the practice of abuse of political power and misuse of media in the 2022 elections, due to his direct and personal responsibility for the illicit conduct carried out for the benefit of his candidacy for re-election. I declare your ineligibility for 8 years following the 2022 election."

Reference again in Brazilian Portuguese:

0. https://www.cnnbrasil.com.br/politica/relembre-vezes-em-que-...

1. https://g1.globo.com/politica/noticia/2023/06/27/relator-vot...

Don't apologize in the name of the brazilian people. You don't speak for all of us. You speak only for yourself, as do I. At least I'm humble enough not to decree what I say is the absolute truth.

I'm based on facts, have shown/linked many references that prove what I'm saying. You keep spreading lies and/or denying reality. An Infectious Disease Doctor called Luana Araújo in a Congress Commission once said[0]:

“We're discussing which edge of the flat Earth we're going to jump off.”

That's literally your approach to discussing all matters in this thread.

Reference:

0. https://g1.globo.com/politica/noticia/2021/06/02/estamos-dis...

Not only did you post links that don't actually disprove or deny anything I said, sometimes you posted links that actually enhanced my arguments.

Your excerpt for example makes the persecution of Bolsonaro obvious to everyone on this site. "Abuse of political power"? What made up nonsense is this? That's ridiculous. It's just like the totally the arbitrary fines and censorship they imposed on Google for the crime of posting a link on their own homepage. "Abuse of market position" they called it. It's painfully obvious that these judges wanted to destroy the guy. One judge even bragged about it in public. Unashamedly. Who's denying reality? Your posts border on gaslighting.

The link you just posted is yet another example. I was a very vocal critic of Bolsonaro's handling of the pandemic during his mandate. I actually agree with Dr. Luana Araújo said in that news article. That's why I think it's hilarious that of all the dumb things he said and did he went down for his perfectly valid criticism of the electronic voting machines.

At least in the pandemic, you seem to be reasonable. In many posts, you have shown no knowledge of Law concepts and how our constitution works. I hope in the future, before you say a “judge is being a dictator”, you study about the matter. IANAL, and yet I'm capable to see how you don't know about the typical and atypical functions of each power in our Democracy. I hope this link could expand your superficial knowledge about the matter.

https://www.jusbrasil.com.br/noticias/podem-os-juizes-legisl...

What constitution? The one the judges selectively apply? The one that explicitly says the political censorship they perpetrated is unconstitutional?

You're apparently incapable of seeing the fact that the judges have essentially given themselves power to legislate, investigate and judge. They've been doing it ever since one particular publication attacked them and they show no signs of stopping any time soon. It was painfully obvious during the election but it started much earlier than that.

https://www.conjur.com.br/2022-nov-27/inquerito-fake-news-st...

If you can't see this, it's pointless to continue this thread.

Bolsonaro is pro-deforestation. It was literally one of his campaign promises.

There was no "coup". There was a protest. Identical to numerous others in the past. Even the pictures look the same. I even saw one of the several brazilian socialist parties condemning the criminalization of the protesters for obvious reasons.

If only there had been a coup. They're all being punished for attempting one anyway. Might as well have tried, right?

Please refrain from spread misinformation, that was a coup, in the mind of Bolsonaro's followers the "protest" would trigger an action by the military to "take the power". This was spread by months after the elections, we even had a attempt of exploding a bomb in a gas tank truck for aviation.

Not a single protest in the history of the redemocratization (1988) had a protest that destroyed the buildings from the three powers.

So? They believed a lie. Doesn't turn what happened there on that day into a coup. When you want to take power, you don't do the utterly pointless stuff they did. You want to seize power, you don't show up to an empty supreme court to shit on its chairs. That's just stupid. I think it's far more likey that it was a false flag operation from the start.

And don't accuse me of "spreading misinformation". I simply do not agree with you. You're not on brazilian social media. Either reply to me with respect or don't reply to me at all.

You are spreading misinformation, read your own comment, here is an example:

"[...]designed to justify the judiciary dictatorship we're currently living under."

That's literally the fake news spread in far-right media, which seems you are consuming too much. Just because you don't agree with a decision done by the Supreme Court on Brazil (STF) doesn't mean it's a dictatorship.

If you feel I caused any damage to you by point facts in your commentaries, you have the right to sue me, and I will have all the instances of defense garantee by our constitution :)

I don't need media to see and understand what's happening. That the "far-right" apparently agrees with me on this point doesn't prove that it's fake either. The supreme court has been grabbing power for years now and last year during the elections they committed blatantly unconstitutional acts in defense of their candidate including censorship the likes of which haven't been seen in this country since the military dictatorship. You expect me to believe this is not a judiciary dictatorship when these unelected judges are essentially running the country? Just today news came out saying they more or less created a tax.

> I will have all the instances of defense garantee by our constitution :)

What a joke. There is no constitution in this country. There's only the judge-king's whims. Whatever he writes on his paper is law. If I were to sue you, I'd succeed only in getting myself persecuted. So I'll flag your posts and stop responding to you. Goodbye.

Once more you are spreading misinformation and denying the reality.

> There is no constitution in this country.

There is and was promulgated in 1988.[0]

> The supreme court has been grabbing power for years now and last year during the elections they committed blatantly unconstitutional acts in defense of their candidate including censorship the likes of which haven't been seen in this country since the military dictatorship.

The TSE, the court you are referring to alongside with social medias, removed around three hundreds posts containing fake news, that so small that yet 79% Brazilians had contact with fake news[1], how is that a dictatorship?

You are downplaying the dictatorship that happened in 1964 on Brazil. People were exiled/killed, ALL media were censored. I beg anyone who wants to know more about the coup of 64 read the wikipedia page is a good start on the subject, you will see how horrible and bloody it was. Link: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_dictatorship_in_Bra...

These references are in Brazilian Portuguese language, I'm sorry for it.

[0] https://pt.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitui%C3%A7%C3%A3o_brasi...

[1] https://www.terra.com.br/byte/tse-nao-conseguiu-barrar-fake-...

> So? They believed a lie

Many a coup started with the people believing in lies.

In fact, that's usually what happened historically.

I don't doubt that people believed it. Belief alone doesn't make a coup though. You have to actually try to seize power for it to be a coup.

I believe it was actually an attempt to do this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%932016_protests_in_...

I think it's likely that the government took advantage of this context to create the perfect pretext for everything they're doing right now. There's a parliamentary investigation into the truth of these riots, latest news I have of that was that the security camera footage of that day had been mysteriously lost. I bet the CIA still has copies though. The footage was requested early this year, government stalled as much as it could but then Lula made some anti-Ukraine comments and soon after images of his people being friendly with the protesters mysteriously made its way to the CNN. I wouldn't be surprised if US agencies like the CIA were responsible for that.

Oh my god, you love to spread misinformation and conspiracy theories.

The images that could prove either your “theory” or that Bolsonaro tried to, with Delgatti hacker know for the operation “Spoofing”, in some ways crack the voting machines are lost because of a technical decision done in Bolsonaro's government[0]. Bolsonaro's government is also known for using a law of National Security which a President can decree secrecy for one hundred years for his allies and info that could prove he lies to his followers[1].

Transparency is one of the values described in Brazil's Constitution[2], that the parent still deny btw.

Reference in Brazilian Portuguese, I'm sorry again HN audience:

0. https://www.cnnbrasil.com.br/politica/governo-nao-tem-imagen...

1. https://www.poder360.com.br/governo/relembre-casos-em-que-o-...

2. https://www.planalto.gov.br/ccivil_03/Constituicao/Constitui...

I'm not interested in discussing this with you. Take a hint.