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Re:iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus by paulmd on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @10:03PM (#37491311)
this is only true if you accept the circular definition of "well, if it does less than lightning then it's not a true USB-C cable".

in practice there are lots of usb-c cables that don't do data, which all lightning cables do. they're just not officially certified ones. which means they're not "real" usb-c cables.

again, the problem is it turns out in practice virtually nobody is using "real" usb-c cables, and if you want to stand on the formal definition, then we can formally say the standard has no real market penetration and can reasonably be disregarded until it catches traction.

if you can walk into a bodega and be assured that the lightning cable sitting on the shelf is going to be a certified and approved cable with data transfer, and the usb-c cable probably won't, then that's kinda all that really matters.

(and thus, we can see why certification programs like lightning exist. the $2 lightning cable on the bodega counter probably has better capabilities than the $5 usb-c cable on the counter because of the certification process.)

Re:iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus by Dylan16807 on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @10:35PM (#37491533)
I've seen a bunch of uncertified lightning cables on Amazon, but not any power-only USB-C cables, despite looking through a lot more USB-C listings.

I have no idea what fraction of the USB-C cables are certified, but they're not broken. They have the wires because people want the wires. For such a basic feature, this is more effective than certification.

Re:iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus by vel0city on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @10:23PM (#37491440)
Just about any USB-C cable you buy that isn't a "data" cable just means its not rated for the ultra high 3.0+ speeds. It's incredibly rare to come across a USB-C cable that has absolutely no data connection, they practically all support at least USB 2.0. I've never come across a cable that didn't support at least USB 2.0 speeds that wasn't just otherwise broken, or was some weird one like USB-C to a barrel adapter or something.
Re:iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus by dwaite on Wednesday September 13, 2023 @07:29PM (#37503021)
There are some sold for privacy which do not have the data pins.

However, I believe this prevents negotiation for power delivery. Even if not, you need the CEC pins for the cable to function and that is a data channel as well (there are firmware update specs over CEC)

Re:iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus by kalleboo on Wednesday September 13, 2023 @02:00AM (#37492747)
> which all lightning cables do

This is not true at all.

I've bought lightning cables at the dollar store that are single-sided (one side has "UPSIDE" written on it, you can't flip it over), power only

edit: I buy a lot of cheap USB gadgets (fans, flashlights etc) so I checked my cables. Not one of my USB-C to C cables are missing data. Plenty of USB-A to C cables are, though. So as long as you avoid USB-A you may be fine.