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Re:iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus by brotherhoodZero on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @03:14PM (#37486361)
I may be an odd on out here, but I'm not a fan of the move to USB-C. I don't care about data speeds or charging speeds. I don't even care about durability of the cable as they can be replaced. I care about durability of the charging port on the device and every USB-C device I've ever owned has become "loose" over time. This includes my iPad Mini, so I don't believe Apples has found a solution to this.

Meanwhile, I may have had to replace cables for my older iPhone, but those cables are still solidly in place when I insert them.

Re:iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus by e44858 on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @04:44PM (#37488006)
Did you try new cables? With USB-C the retaining spring is in the cable, so if it gets loose you just need to replace the cable. With Lightning the spring is inside the charge port in the device, so it's a lot more expensive to replace.
Re:iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus by Arbortheus on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @05:49PM (#37488989)
Did you ever try scraping the bottom of the USB-C port with a bobby pin? I find over time pocket lint gets squished at the back of the port and stops the cable fitting in as snug. For some reason it seems to be more of a problem with USB-C ports than lightning ports.
Re:iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus by ars on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @08:25PM (#37490561)
This! I've fixed so many broken and flaky USB-C ports by simply cleaning the gunk at the bottom.

I find that a plastic flossing pick works really well. (I'd be hesitant to use anything metal like a bobby pin.)

Re:iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus by Solvitieg on Wednesday September 13, 2023 @12:06AM (#37492071)
Thanks, you guys just fixed my iPhone 12. Which previously required me to awkwardly move the cable to get it to charge

With a plastic toothpick I scraped the inside corners. At first nothing came out, but after a few scrapes multiple dust balls emerged. Honestly a surprising amount

I plugged it in, "that snap feeling again..." charging sound

Re:iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus by LTL_FTC on Wednesday September 13, 2023 @12:57AM (#37492367)
Yup. Think apple stores use paint brushes for this. They helped me with this once before.
Re:iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus by jacobp100 on Wednesday September 13, 2023 @04:52AM (#37494028)
The lightning ports were so bad for this, but they were so easy to clean. Not sure how easy USB C will be to clean
Re:iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus by reportingsjr on Wednesday September 13, 2023 @09:12AM (#37496290)
In my experience they aren't too bad. I typically use an exacto knife and just scrape around the bottom of the port for a while until I stop pulling lint out.
Re:iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus by unregistereddev on Wednesday September 13, 2023 @10:26AM (#37497203)
I use a sewing needle to pull out lint. Using an exacto knife would scare me, but I'm glad to hear that it works - the ports are more durable than I assumed.
Re:iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus by stewx on Wednesday September 13, 2023 @09:37AM (#37496565)
Isopropyl alcohol and an old toothbrush.
Re:iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus by jimbob45 on Wednesday September 13, 2023 @03:06AM (#37493172)
+1 to this. A "pick pick blow repeat" technique with a flosser pick typically gets everything out for me. Surprisingly, it most often ends up being jeans pocket lint.
Re:iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus by trogdor on Friday September 15, 2023 @10:26AM (#37523484)
>Surprisingly, it most often ends up being jeans pocket lint.

Why is that surprising? Don’t you keep your phone in your pocket?

Re:iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus by activitypea on Wednesday September 13, 2023 @09:55AM (#37496805)
You folks just fixed my iPhone 12! It was my first iPhone, and the lightning port "broke" after two months. In the years since then, I just charged wirelessly and made sure I always have a Qi pad available (battery life on the 12 series is not great). I just took a plastic twist tie, the kind you use for PC cables, and aggressively scraped the port's insides, especially the back/bottom since there's no contacts there. Lo and behold, I fished out a lapdog's worth of lint and the phone immediately started charging again.
Re:iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus by brotherhoodZero on Wednesday September 13, 2023 @11:17AM (#37497906)
I’m pretty sure it’s not pocket lint in my case. The loosening happens even on laptops and tablets. The problem is the male part of the connector is inside the device. And it’s quite thin compared to lightning. You move the device around while it’s plugged in and it puts strain on that thin male part of the connector. Next thing you know, the cable visibly can wiggle up and down when plugged in.
Re:iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus by nixpulvis on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @08:00PM (#37490379)
I’ve been saying this for years. Sure, USB-C has better shielding and can reach higher data rates, but I use my phone cable for exactly two purposes: 1) charging, and 2) playing music.

Meanwhile, dirt and sand can get into the new USB-C cables on both sides now, and the tube design is less resilient to being stepped on or rolled over.

Re:iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus by rwalle on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @09:07PM (#37490883)
I have had Android phones with USB-C and other USB-C devices like iPad Pro for many years now, and "dirt and sand can get into it" never even remotely crossed my mind. And yes they have been working just fine -- current phone is 3 years old and still doing well.
Re:iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus by nixpulvis on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @09:14PM (#37490935)
Antidotal and doesn’t dismiss my claim that lightning is more durable.
Re:iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus by Micrococonut on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @10:17PM (#37491399)
Every single lightning cable I've ever owned developed a black corrosion on a pin that prevented it from working. Every. single. one. You cannot claim that lightning is durable. It's completely farcical.
Re:iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus by WanderPanda on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @11:46PM (#37491947)
Never happened to me. In my experience lightning ports a as close to unbreakable as it gets given that size factor. In contrast every USB-C port seems to get loose or outright break after heavy usage (including lenovo and MacBooks). I will not miss having multiple cables but I will miss the snug and reliable fit that various lightning plugs/ports have maintained over years in my service. It's probably time to move to wireless charging anyways
Re:iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus by nixpulvis on Wednesday September 13, 2023 @12:05AM (#37492066)
Wireless stuff is neat I guess… but it takes up much more space and is much less efficient. The power loss alone seems like a big deal that we don’t really consider. Not to mention that it’s not really any more convenient than say MagSafe is. I find my phone uncharged in the morning far more often because I didn’t align it properly with the pad, than because my cable is going bad.

I will say, it’s nice letting my phone stand also charge it… so I’m also kinda a fan.

This is a surprisingly tough issue for me.

Re:iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus by dryrun on Wednesday September 13, 2023 @12:01AM (#37492048)
I could show you my collection of broken lightning cables where the plastic just before the "meat" of the connector is split, leading to visible copper/whatever cables. Which in turn leads to broken copper/whatever cables, which are at best broking the functionality, at worse dangerous (is it?).
Re:iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus by DerekL on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @11:40PM (#37491916)
* anecdotal
Re:iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus by nixpulvis on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @11:48PM (#37491967)
I thought that looked wrong. Damnit autocorrect. Thanks.
Re:iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus by e44858 on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @09:28PM (#37491058)
I've had several lightning cables fail from moisture getting from my fingers onto the exposed contacts and causing galvanic corrosion. The tube from USB-C seems to prevent that.
Re:iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus by Wojtkie on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @11:44PM (#37491933)
Ah that explains why all my cords have a really tarnished lead.
Re:iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus by ugexe on Wednesday September 13, 2023 @09:44AM (#37496659)
Are you sure its a tarnished lead? Lots of lightning cables have one tarnished lead (often on each side) from arcing. If I remember correctly using such a cable in a new iPhone could even damage the matching pin inside the phone, leading to the situation where it would start arcing on a non-broken cable (damaging the same leads on the new cable).
Re:iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus by arijun on Wednesday September 13, 2023 @01:58AM (#37492734)
Who grabs a cable by the metal bit?
Re:iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus by pindab0ter on Friday September 15, 2023 @07:26AM (#37521395)
"Your average user" does.
Re:iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus by jerieljan on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @08:34PM (#37490642)
Your anecdote interests me because I've the same thoughts but prefer USB-C instead. I've taken care of my family's iPhones and the issues of pocket lint and loose cables have happened far too often for me to ignore.

The occasions I can remember USB-C breaking are on cables that are from no-name brands.

That said, at least it's easier to clean the ports on a Lightning cable.

Re:iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus by anonacktua1111y on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @10:34PM (#37491523)
actually, i had enrolled my ipad air for apple care, specifically to reserve the right to complain, some day, when i am no longer happy with the port feel.
Re:iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus by alphanullmeric on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @11:11PM (#37491757)
Exact same experience here. I hate how USB C has the fragile male end on the port and the durable female end on the cable. It’s significantly more complex and less robust compared to lightning. Is this really the only way to get higher charging/data speeds
Re:iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus by throwaway290 on Wednesday September 13, 2023 @01:08AM (#37492439)
You're not alone. My lightning to USB-C cables always break at USB-C side but not Lightning side. Also, a USB-C port in my M1 laptop stopped working and needs repair (and no, flossing pick doesn't help). I actually am wary about this change.
Re:iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus by dav43 on Wednesday September 13, 2023 @02:26AM (#37492905)
I agree that the physical usb c connection looks like the worst structure for a connector. Extremely flimsy
Re:iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus by c-hendricks on Wednesday September 13, 2023 @08:21AM (#37495757)
It's not like lightning ports are immune to this. The port on my 11 is so busted cables hardly stay in anymore, and you have to apply pressure manually to ensure the device is actually charging.

And no, it's not dust/lint in there.