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Re:Covid patients breathe out large amounts of virus early on by xnx on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @02:13PM (#37485162)
I'm surprised this is news after 3+ years. I would've figured this would've been one of the first things to figure out. I'm sure many would've volunteered to be infected and closely studied early on to collect this information.
Re:Covid patients breathe out large amounts of virus early on by histriosum on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @02:18PM (#37485233)
Intentionally infecting people for study isn't something that really fits with our medical ethics, at least as I understand them.
Re:Covid patients breathe out large amounts of virus early on by xnx on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @02:39PM (#37485647)
It can be controversial, but is done: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_challenge_study
Re:Covid patients breathe out large amounts of virus early on by Retric on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @02:22PM (#37485280)
It’s common practice for diseases where healthy people are unlikely to have severe issues, even if they may be deadly for some segment of the population.

https://youtu.be/1v8u3ua6BPk?si=lzAQcZlmnBc1xvj1

Re:Covid patients breathe out large amounts of virus early on by ch4s3 on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @02:20PM (#37485256)
IIRC it can be done when there is little risk of serious adverse effects, or there is a known treatment that works well and mitigates risk of adverse effects.
Re:Covid patients breathe out large amounts of virus early on by nradov on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @02:55PM (#37486006)
Imperial College London conducted a COVID-19 human challenge clinical trial. The risk to healthy subjects without comorbid conditions is extremely low.

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/infectious-disease/research/human...

Re:Covid patients breathe out large amounts of virus early on by BurningFrog on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @03:03PM (#37486148)
Yeah, the medical "ethics" field is full of really weird and damaging decisions.

Someone needs to do the work exposing what the hell is going on there.

Re:Covid patients breathe out large amounts of virus early on by cosmotron on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @03:15PM (#37486384)
As others noted, it does happen and is called a human challenge trial. In fact, here's one for malaria that's currently accepting signups.

https://www.medschool.umaryland.edu/CVD/trials/MAM01/

Re:Covid patients breathe out large amounts of virus early on by Gibbon1 on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @03:47PM (#37486976)
There have been a half dozen challenge studies[1] of influenza in the last 50 years. They're interesting in that there are threshold effects and a dose response relationship. None of the small numbers of test subjects get sick or seroconverted at low doses. Medium doses produce seroconversion without illness. Higher doses produce illness.

Before covid I found a Thai study on the effect of masking nurses in healthcare clinics. Masks reduced infections with some respiratory viruses and not others.

Can't be stated strongly enough is you cannot use the behavior of one virus as a proxy for the behavior of an unrelated one.

[1] Lack of rigorous studies of respiratory infections in the last 70 years caught public health policy makers completely flat footed. Because they were working off out of date textbook knowledge that was low quality.

Re:Covid patients breathe out large amounts of virus early on by lkbm on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @02:50PM (#37485898)
I think this is roughly what we've known for a few years—probably just more precise. I've definitely heard that early stage is when you shed the most.
Re:Covid patients breathe out large amounts of virus early on by omginternets on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @03:45PM (#37486934)
People have been talking about this for at least two years. It's been a common topic in right-of-center circles, along with the (in)effectiveness of most masks.