Re:Physicists Observe ‘Unobservable’ Quantum Phase Transition
by bowsamic on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @07:02AM
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I agree, but that doesn't rule out non-local interactions in general
Re:Physicists Observe ‘Unobservable’ Quantum Phase Transition
by kgwgk on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @07:13AM
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Depends on the definition of “interaction”.
Re:Physicists Observe ‘Unobservable’ Quantum Phase Transition
by bowsamic on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @07:17AM
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Two systems affecting each other
Re:Physicists Observe ‘Unobservable’ Quantum Phase Transition
by kgwgk on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @07:19AM
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Then the non-locality of entanglement doesn’t get you that because it concerns a single system.
Re:Physicists Observe ‘Unobservable’ Quantum Phase Transition
by bowsamic on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @07:24AM
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Even so, we still call it interaction. And it still raises questions about quantum gravity.
Re:Physicists Observe ‘Unobservable’ Quantum Phase Transition
by kgwgk on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @07:32AM
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So much for your own definition of “interaction”…
Re:Physicists Observe ‘Unobservable’ Quantum Phase Transition
by bowsamic on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @07:36AM
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Why are you being rude to me?
Re:Physicists Observe ‘Unobservable’ Quantum Phase Transition
by kgwgk on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @07:56AM
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That was not my intention.
If there is a non-rude way of conveying the message “when I said that it depends on the definition of interaction you gave me one and then you told me to ignore it” please assume that I had written that instead.
Re:Physicists Observe ‘Unobservable’ Quantum Phase Transition
by anotheraccount9 on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @07:47AM
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I see what you did there
Re:Physicists Observe ‘Unobservable’ Quantum Phase Transition
by marginalia_nu on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @07:48AM
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It doesn't rule out non-local interactions as in general we can rule out local non-hidden variables but not global ones.
What these party-pooper theorems do is largely rule out being able to differentiate non-local interactions from local interactions... which doesn't mean they don't exist, but if they do, there's large pieces of the puzzle missing before we can show they do.
Re:Physicists Observe ‘Unobservable’ Quantum Phase Transition
by qubex on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @08:00AM
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To be perfectly frank, quantum entanglement and wormholes are just the manners in which QFT and GR respectively manifest the concepts of nonlocality. That’s my understanding of the ER=EPR dictum, anyway: physics is fundamentally nonlocal, and these are the means by which the two leading theories express that nonlocality within their own lexicon of information/observation and curvature/trajectories (respectively).
Re:Physicists Observe ‘Unobservable’ Quantum Phase Transition
by philipov on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @08:36AM
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I think ER=EPR still implies physics is local, but locality is dynamic rather than static. It is a mechanism by which spacetime can be constructed from quantum physics, but all the physics still takes place locally on it.
I don't think many physicists will argue they are wrong.