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Re:NSO Group iPhone Zero-Click, Zero-Day Exploit Captured in... by pseg134 on Thursday September 07, 2023 @05:00PM (#37425506)
We give Israel billions of dollars every year and I’m return this is what their intelligence service gives us. They hack our politicians and journalists cell phones. They work with dictators.
Re:NSO Group iPhone Zero-Click, Zero-Day Exploit Captured in... by fatfingerd on Thursday September 07, 2023 @05:14PM (#37425693)
The US government gives them billions of dollars and they help the US government maintain puppet dictatorships like Saudi Arabia..
Re:NSO Group iPhone Zero-Click, Zero-Day Exploit Captured in... by hot_gril on Thursday September 07, 2023 @05:44PM (#37426032)
And the US barely has an inherent interest in Saudi Arabia. Israel is credited for helping the US "fight terrorism in the Middle East" or maintain those puppets, but really they're just helping us help them. When it comes to things that don't directly benefit Israel, they don't care. Israel has never even fought ISIS for example, the largest recent terrorist threat in the region. And they're allowed to maintain some neutrality in situations like Russia's attack on Ukraine. You might even call them neutral wrt ISIS since they aren't in this mostly symbolic list: https://www.state.gov/the-global-coalition-to-defeat-isis-pa...

For all the things Israel has done against the US's wishes (like West Bank settlement), the US has struggled to do just one thing Israel doesn't like: the Iran nuclear deal. But at least one of our major parties is somewhat willing to push it. I think they're also somewhat annoyed with our aid to Ukraine.

Re:NSO Group iPhone Zero-Click, Zero-Day Exploit Captured in... by vxNsr on Friday September 08, 2023 @12:39AM (#37429395)
It’s truly shocking how misinformed you are about foreign policy.

Israel attempted to maintain some level of neutrality wrt Russia bec when they show preferences, Russia punishes the local Jewish population… which they promptly did as soon as Israel showed any support for Ukraine.

Israel shares a ton of intel with the US regarding many of the local terrorist organizations in the ME. Not to mention they’re flying sorties into Syrian airspace almost nightly. (Infamously Syria AA shot down a russian spy plane, killing 11, thinking they finally caught an Israeli plane)

And Israel’s absence from that symbolic list was likely a precondition to get many of those Arab and African nations on the list. Israel has ISIS locally so there’s no doubt they’re fighting isis.

Finally wrt the Jordan’s west bank: they lost it years ago and it’s so odd you keep calling it that… maybe use the actual name for the area and suddenly Israel’s policy will make sense.

Re:NSO Group iPhone Zero-Click, Zero-Day Exploit Captured in... by aihkas on Friday September 08, 2023 @04:08AM (#37430894)
Are you an NSO psychopath or something?! Those funny propaganda jokes you're spewing are not working. The Israeli Hasbara lies are so bad and funny (Oh we won the land instead of we are scumy occupiers and land thieves haha.) This Israeli murder cult is sad and pathetic.
Re:NSO Group iPhone Zero-Click, Zero-Day Exploit Captured in... by vxNsr on Friday September 08, 2023 @03:34PM (#37438333)
your bigotry doesn't do your argument any favors. of course there isn't really an argument here, just hate.
Re:NSO Group iPhone Zero-Click, Zero-Day Exploit Captured in... by aihkas on Saturday September 09, 2023 @09:39AM (#37445274)
You're the one who has no argument, other than pure hatred. Any sane human being would be against criminal genocidal ideologies like Zionism and Nazism. Cheering the monstrous crimes of those political ideologies is nothing but vile hate. It is a murder cult, come with an argument or f off. It is not my job to educate you if you're brainwashed.
Re:NSO Group iPhone Zero-Click, Zero-Day Exploit Captured in... by hot_gril on Friday September 08, 2023 @04:19PM (#37438880)
Not an appropriate comment for here.
Re:NSO Group iPhone Zero-Click, Zero-Day Exploit Captured in... by hot_gril on Friday September 08, 2023 @11:55AM (#37435297)
> And Israel’s absence from that symbolic list was likely a precondition to get many of those Arab and African nations on the list. Israel has ISIS locally so there’s no doubt they’re fighting isis.

Israel has never fought in any battle involving ISIS or carried out any smaller strikes against them. Some others who aren't in the coalition, like Russia, have. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_and_battles_invol... Their operations in Syria have been against regime forces, Hezbollah, and other targets, not ISIS.

> Israel attempted to maintain some level of neutrality wrt Russia bec when they show preferences, Russia punishes the local Jewish population… which they promptly did as soon as Israel showed any support for Ukraine.

Israel have been allowed to stay neutral. I didn't say they had no reason for it, cause obviously there are reasons behind these decisions.

> Finally wrt the Jordan’s west bank: they lost it years ago and it’s so odd you keep calling it that… maybe use the actual name for the area and suddenly Israel’s policy will make sense.

It's the common name for the region used in America, that's all. I truly don't know what other name you had in mind, but it doesn't matter anyway.

Re:NSO Group iPhone Zero-Click, Zero-Day Exploit Captured in... by vxNsr on Friday September 08, 2023 @04:17PM (#37438845)
> Even if there's significant ISIS presence in Israel (which I've never heard of), it hasn't convinced them to help fight ISIS next door. Their stance is neutral, and they don't pretend otherwise.

this is simply false. They help a ton and as I've said they've directly attacked them both within Israel's 1919 borders and assisted with attacks elsewhere in the region.

> I didn't say there was no reason, because obviously there would be, including trade. They have been allowed to stay mostly neutral.

so then why bring it up? but again, trade had nothing to do with it, its to protect the innocent people who cannot leave russia and who will be discriminated against due to their religion (much like you are doing right now).

Re:NSO Group iPhone Zero-Click, Zero-Day Exploit Captured in... by hot_gril on Friday September 08, 2023 @04:29PM (#37439015)
And yet you can't point to any evidence of Israel actually fighting ISIS, just your word...

> who will be discriminated against due to their religion (much like you are doing right now)

... and supposedly I'm a bigot if I show you otherwise. Not cool, I'm done here.

Re:NSO Group iPhone Zero-Click, Zero-Day Exploit Captured in... by vxNsr on Sunday September 10, 2023 @11:50AM (#37456990)
100% agree not cool to be a bigot, please do better
Re:NSO Group iPhone Zero-Click, Zero-Day Exploit Captured in... by FirmwareBurner on Thursday September 07, 2023 @05:06PM (#37425593)
The US could demand NSO on a platter if they realty wanted to, but they don't. Israel intelligence often aids the US alphabet boys and the NSA on various offensive operations and intelligence gathering, which is why NSO is allowed to keep doing business by both parties.
Re:NSO Group iPhone Zero-Click, Zero-Day Exploit Captured in... by hot_gril on Thursday September 07, 2023 @05:40PM (#37425986)
But only the operations that are for Israel's benefit. When it comes to fighting ISIS, for example, they don't care one bit. With situations like Russia, they walk a tightrope. And Israel is credited for helping the US "fight terrorism in the Middle East" when really they're just helping us help them.
Re:NSO Group iPhone Zero-Click, Zero-Day Exploit Captured in... by vxNsr on Thursday September 07, 2023 @05:15PM (#37425708)
You seem to think the NSO is some rogue org within Israel. Couldn’t be further from the truth. It’s simply a plausible deniability org that works for everyone, and counts every single US intelligence agency among its clients. The fact that you’re all upset about what they’re doing is exactly the point, you’re pointing your finger the NSO when it’s the NSA who’s paying them off.
Re:NSO Group iPhone Zero-Click, Zero-Day Exploit Captured in... by lijok on Thursday September 07, 2023 @06:38PM (#37426591)
By “we” I assume you mean the US. The NSO group and others are services that powerful people in the US regularly employ.
Re:NSO Group iPhone Zero-Click, Zero-Day Exploit Captured in... by mensetmanusman on Thursday September 07, 2023 @06:43PM (#37426658)
No, we don’t pay them to hack our phones.

Most governments are paying for these services as spying is a recognized arm of statecraft that has actually prevented many wars/conflicts.

Re:NSO Group iPhone Zero-Click, Zero-Day Exploit Captured in... by yieldcrv on Thursday September 07, 2023 @08:04PM (#37427449)
We bought a vassal state with highly competent people. They are generally independent in internal affairs and so NSO group would have nothing to do with the government.

But you're right, we don't need that one at all any longer. Someone once told me that Israel would align more closely with Russia if we did that, which is a laughable come back, like, okay? have fun with that.

Retracking the various forms of funding and defense contractor slush funds would be a simple step.

Re:NSO Group iPhone Zero-Click, Zero-Day Exploit Captured in... by fortran77 on Thursday September 07, 2023 @11:06PM (#37428732)
NSO Group is a private company owned by UK investment group "Novalpina Capital." Stop spreading misinformation.