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Re:Tamagotchi Connection by Hendrikto on Thursday September 07, 2023 @06:04AM (#37416792)
> 20 years before the modern smartphone (1996 -> 2016)

The first iPhone was released in 2007. You could argue that ”modern“ smartphones took a few more years, but definitely not until 2016.

Re:Tamagotchi Connection by nonrandomstring on Thursday September 07, 2023 @06:13AM (#37416847)
Sure. What I'm really talking about is the modern ensemble of smartphone, social networks and app-centric economy. In 2007 they were still mainly "just phones".

It would be nice to have a better fix on the historical location of the smartphone vis a vis obsessive, anxious use, but my reading of folks like Johann Hari and Tristan Harris puts it around 2013/15, which tallies with my observations in London.

Re:Tamagotchi Connection by kergonath on Thursday September 07, 2023 @06:32AM (#37416992)
> Sure. What I'm really talking about is the modern ensemble of smartphone, social networks and app-centric economy. In 2007 they were still mainly "just phones".

That was already there in 2010. There was a Cambrian explosion of apps in 2008/2009, and Apple ran the “there’s an app for that” campaign in 2009/2010. Facebook was there on day one and there were multiple Twitter clients. Instagram launched as a picture-focused, iPhone-only social network in late 2010.

Re:Tamagotchi Connection by qwertox on Thursday September 07, 2023 @07:22AM (#37417349)
While the smartphone was "born" in 2007, it definitely took many years for them to be devices which are powerful enough to be really useful.

The Nexus 4 was the first Android device which was generally usable, it came out in 2012. Everything before it was a heavy compromise. And while the iPhone was usable before that time, the price of it didn't really make it accessible.

Re:Tamagotchi Connection by xwdv on Thursday September 07, 2023 @08:22AM (#37417883)
No way man, the iPhone was insanely addicting before 2012, maybe you just had poor friends.
Re:Tamagotchi Connection by sjsdaiuasgdia on Thursday September 07, 2023 @08:30AM (#37417957)
This feels really revisionist, or perhaps you have some uncommon requirements for "generally usable". My first non-Blackberry smartphone was a Motorola Atrix in 2011. By this point most of my friends and coworkers were already carrying an iPhone or Android device, I was late to the party. None seemed to be saying their phones weren't generally usable.
Re:Tamagotchi Connection by TeMPOraL on Friday September 08, 2023 @07:10PM (#37440432)
> or perhaps you have some uncommon requirements for "generally usable"

Not GP, but my personal requirements for "generally usable" include the device being able to make calls and connect to Wi-Fi without freezing for two minutes. My first smart phone was a mid-range device bought around 2011, and enduring it for 2+ years successfully convinced me to never again buy any smartphone but the most recent flagship. I don't know how people can stand living with phones that are barely powerful enough to lift their own OS. This must be bad for one's mental health.