Re:“How About Never” (2014)
by lancefisher on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @07:53PM
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Of course this isn’t really monumental, but it can be hard to understand history if you’re looking at it through a modern lens. Humor was different, and this phrase was not in the lexicon like it is now. It was fresher then.
Re:“How About Never” (2014)
by ternaryoperator on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @07:58PM
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The cliché part is due to its enormous popularity. As the article points out, after the cartoon was published, the phrase became part of the common lexicon. Hence, your view of it being cliché.
Re:“How About Never” (2014)
by svat on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @11:16PM
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The dialogue was original to the film, but in terms of plot and characters, Umberto Eco actually thought that Casablanca was full of clichés, and that this was the secret of his success: he titled his essay “Casablanca, or, The Clichés are Having a Ball” (1994), and wrote “Two cliches make us laugh. A hundred cliches move us.” https://biblioklept.org/2013/05/26/casablanca-or-the-cliches...
Re:“How About Never” (2014)
by tbenst on Thursday September 07, 2023 @01:32AM
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Not sure he can claim the phrase. On cursory glance, can find the phrase in multiple books prior to the publication of the cartoon, using the same phrase. Seems it was already in the vernacular.
1986:
"How about the afternoon?"
"How about never?”
there had to be someone else in the whole school he could talk to besides her.
"How about never?" She turned back to her notes and didn't even notice when Harry left the room.
Re:“How About Never” (2014)
by svat on Thursday September 07, 2023 @02:23AM
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It looks like you're talking about just the phrase “how about never?”, but the full text of the cartoon—the quote attributed to him—is:
> No, Thursday's out. How about never—is never good for you?
It's the whole second sentence that is funny/memorable, and when he says that the phrase is entrenched in culture, that's the part that is meant, e.g. with the quoted “They said to the president, How about never? Does never work for you?”.
(BTW in case it's not obvious from the article, when the title says The Story of “How About Never” it means the story of the cartoon known by that name, not the story of the phrase itself.)
Sorry to be so blunt--i just don't see the appeal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kogikw3InpY&t=4s
That's Udi Manber introducing him. They knew each other, somehow.
1986: "How about the afternoon?" "How about never?”
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Wild_Nights/IaAA0LV0zWk...
1981:
there had to be someone else in the whole school he could talk to besides her. "How about never?" She turned back to her notes and didn't even notice when Harry left the room.
https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_New_Voice/4pQSCfcy4...
> No, Thursday's out. How about never—is never good for you?
It's the whole second sentence that is funny/memorable, and when he says that the phrase is entrenched in culture, that's the part that is meant, e.g. with the quoted “They said to the president, How about never? Does never work for you?”.
(BTW in case it's not obvious from the article, when the title says The Story of “How About Never” it means the story of the cartoon known by that name, not the story of the phrase itself.)