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Re:Pentagon and CIA Shaped 1000s of Hollywood Films into Sup... by ceejayoz on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @12:01PM (#37407033)
And an effective vaccine, as far as death and severe illness is concerned.

https://www.bmj.com/company/newsroom/new-study-shows-fewer-p...

> The findings, based on data across 2,558 counties in 48 US states, show that counties with high vaccine coverage had a more than 80% reduction in death rates compared with largely unvaccinated counties.

Re:Pentagon and CIA Shaped 1000s of Hollywood Films into Sup... by nsxwolf on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @12:14PM (#37407237)
Definitely a big win, but 80% reduction means it prevented fewer than half of the vulnerable from death, when the hope had been much closer to preventing virtually all deaths. Those are not pandemic ending numbers, certainly not to those who espouse a zero COVID strategy.
Re:Pentagon and CIA Shaped 1000s of Hollywood Films into Sup... by ajross on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @12:27PM (#37407411)
> 80% reduction means it prevented fewer than half of the vulnerable from death

What are you trying to say here? That math doesn't make sense to me at all. Pretty clearly the reduction in deaths comes primarily from... those who would have been vulnerable to dying.

Re:Pentagon and CIA Shaped 1000s of Hollywood Films into Sup... by claytongulick on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @07:41PM (#37412905)
We're going to need to determine the cause of the unexplained spike in recent all cause mortality before we can have any sort of meaningful conversation about the risk/benefit analysis of the covid vaccination program.
Re:Pentagon and CIA Shaped 1000s of Hollywood Films into Sup... by barbacoa on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @09:03PM (#37413485)
What's even more alarming is that this increases in all-cause deaths were present in the vaccine clinical study data. The vaccine group had fewer covid deaths but had significantly more overall deaths that the non vaccine control group.
Re:Pentagon and CIA Shaped 1000s of Hollywood Films into Sup... by appplication on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @09:45PM (#37413727)
Citations needed, this is sounding like some 5g microchip conspiracy nonsense.
Re:Pentagon and CIA Shaped 1000s of Hollywood Films into Sup... by barbacoa on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @10:57PM (#37414227)
https://aaronsiri.substack.com/p/pfizers-clinical-trial-had-...

One would expect more deaths in the placebo group from all the people who died of covid. Which makes the data even more striking.

Re:Pentagon and CIA Shaped 1000s of Hollywood Films into Sup... by appplication on Thursday September 07, 2023 @12:39AM (#37414824)
Well I poked around, I’m not sure exactly what you’re seeing. One would expect more covid deaths in the placebo, and that is the case. Most of the deaths in both groups are indeed unrelated to Covid at all. You can see exact cause of death for all participants here: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/medrxiv/early/2021/07/28/202...

I suspect the number your focusing on is the 4 cardiac arrest deaths. At a glance it seems 4x higher than the one reported placebo death. But the number is 4 vs 1 for over 20k people. Why not instead focus on placebo group having 2 vs 0 myocardial infarction? The reason why not is that dying is noisy business, and things like cardiac arrest have a pretty high baseline, and this is such a small sample the variance is likely noise.

Perhaps you could present a proper statistical analysis to convince otherwise? Something similar to the methodology for determining Covid vaccine’s effectiveness in preventing Covid deaths. After all, the data is all there. I didn’t see anything resembling such an analysis in your linked source. Just the confused ramblings of someone nontechnical, clearly out of their depth in reading a fairly basic research paper.

Re:Pentagon and CIA Shaped 1000s of Hollywood Films into Sup... by SnowProblem on Thursday September 07, 2023 @02:29AM (#37415420)
The issue isn't the possible noise in non-covid deaths. It's this rather bold statement:

"None of these deaths were considered related to BNT162b2 by investigators"

How would they know? What investigators and what criteria? If there was a 20% increase in seemingly-unrelated deaths, would it be detected? These are the questions that Pfizer should have explained but instead we just got this one pithy sentence. Also remember, this is industry with a history of fraud and criminality. GSK was fined billions for covering up heart deaths in a diabetes treatment only a few years earlier and Pfizer is up on the list too. Our FDA needed to be our advocates and a lot of people feel let down seeing this rubber-stamped.

Re:Pentagon and CIA Shaped 1000s of Hollywood Films into Sup... by peterashford on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @10:08PM (#37413868)
I don't believe that is true.
Re:Pentagon and CIA Shaped 1000s of Hollywood Films into Sup... by wkat4242 on Friday September 08, 2023 @04:29AM (#37431037)
It was at first but we're at the point now where that's been dropped too. Here in Spain I haven't even been able to get it anymore in the last year and a half. I've had COVID twice, one time recently, and it was mild. Same with everyone else. Last week in the Netherlands there was nobody even in the ICU anymore in the whole country with it.

Even without the vaccine we would have got here but it would have taken longer and cost more lives.