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Re:The perpetual truck driver shortage is not real by lotsofpulp on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @04:49PM (#37397542)
> There is some kind of issue that makes it so someone will work stocking a grocery store for $40k a year instead of screwing a cabinet together for $60k, with opportunities to make it up to $100k in the shop and up to $140k in the office as a project manager once you really know how things are built.

Yes, it is called an insufficient pay to quality of life at work ratio, which also incorporates volatility of income.

All the cases I hear require overtime, weekends, overnights, evenings, and unstable, seasonal employment. And probably not offer health insurance subsidies or 401k if less than 50 employees.

Re:The perpetual truck driver shortage is not real by nine_k on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @05:26PM (#37397978)
But with pay like that, the shop would be out of business, because the consumers won't shoulder the resulting high price of the cabinets.

Either the business finds a way to be much more efficient (e.g. producing cabinets much faster and selling wider) while paying the workers more, or it has to scrape by while employing some less fortunate folks. (Or shut down, or course.)

Re:The perpetual truck driver shortage is not real by lotsofpulp on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @05:43PM (#37398174)
> But with pay like that, the shop would be out of business

Maybe, maybe not. I will let the market sort that out.

Re:The perpetual truck driver shortage is not real by the_gipsy on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @03:09AM (#37402123)
If their "business model" is screwing over workers, then maybe it's not a good one, no.
Re:The perpetual truck driver shortage is not real by midoridensha on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @06:26AM (#37403292)
Isn't that the business model of most employers in the US?
Re:The perpetual truck driver shortage is not real by refurb on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @03:22AM (#37402202)
Are you suggesting $18/hr at Walmart is “better quality of life than $30/hr making cabinets”?
Re:The perpetual truck driver shortage is not real by abwizz on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @03:43AM (#37402351)
not set in stone, but might well be.
Re:The perpetual truck driver shortage is not real by eesmith on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @04:10AM (#37402494)
We do not know all the details. Does the $60K job require working nights or overtime? Does it require a flexible schedule?

https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes517011.htm shows there are not many subfields of cabinetmaking that average $60K/year. One is "Aerospace Product and Parts Manufacturing" which averages $60,520/year, so another issue is the actual job may call for more experience than just being able to use a screwdriver.

Otherwise, residential building construction laborers make $ 42,950/year, says https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes472061.htm . They have more appropriate training than a grocery stocker. Why aren't they applying?

Re:The perpetual truck driver shortage is not real by michaelt on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @05:09AM (#37402840)
> All the cases I hear require overtime, weekends, overnights, evenings, and unstable, seasonal employment.

It's actually kinda common for higher paid employees to also enjoy much better working conditions.

Compare Amazon's developers to their van drivers. The developers get much higher pay and much better working conditions.

Re:The perpetual truck driver shortage is not real by mrguyorama on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @02:53PM (#37409431)
This doesn't follow nearly as well in the trades. Plumbers make good money not just because they are good at putting pipes together, but because most people don't want to spend their day getting dripped on or even dealing with wastewater.
Re:The perpetual truck driver shortage is not real by red-iron-pine on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @09:43AM (#37405017)
> All the cases I hear require overtime, weekends, overnights, evenings, and unstable, seasonal employment. And probably not offer health insurance subsidies or 401k if less than 50 employees.

This is my understanding as well. Random piecemeal work in random places that only have one hotel and still manage to nail you for 150/night.

Yeah you can make $45k in 3 months, but it's 4 hours from nowhere, the work isn't consistent, and they don't offer healthcare or 401k. You can't make a live out of 1 month here, 7 months here, etc., and options like buying a big sleeper van isn't really an option when winter in rural Ohio comes around, etc.