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Re:Diamond Prices Are in Free Fall in One Key Corner of the ... by paxys on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @04:31PM (#37397298)
A good Rolex at least has a thriving resale market, and can actually increase in value over time. Same for a lot of other luxury goods as well as other stores of value (like gold or Bitcoin). Diamonds are effectively worthless the moment they leave the store. Their high prices are a product of marketing and social pressure, nothing more.
Re:Diamond Prices Are in Free Fall in One Key Corner of the ... by londons_explore on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @04:57PM (#37397645)
> effectively worthless the moment they leave the store

I hear this a lot... But where can I buy a massive diamond 2nd hand for a few bucks?

Re:Diamond Prices Are in Free Fall in One Key Corner of the ... by paxys on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @05:00PM (#37397676)
Look at it the other way. If you have a diamond in good condition, can you sell it anywhere for "market price" the same way you would gold or silver? No, because the rock is not rare, and there's basically no way to verify its origin outside of the store.

Look up Craigslist or Facebook Marketplace in your area and you'll find plenty of cheap listings for diamond jewelry. Will you really take a chance on any of them though?

Re:Diamond Prices Are in Free Fall in One Key Corner of the ... by RandomLensman on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @06:11PM (#37398479)
Large, good quality diamonds are rare, smaller ones not so much (certain colors aside).
Re:Diamond Prices Are in Free Fall in One Key Corner of the ... by hammock on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @06:11PM (#37398484)
Re:Diamond Prices Are in Free Fall in One Key Corner of the ... by nelgaard on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @06:16PM (#37398540)
Not a few bucks, but for 10 percent of the valuation/retail price:

https://www.konkurser.dk/search/?s=diamant

It is in Danish, but it is bankruptcy auctions, the high price is the valuation (typically the retail price before bankruptcy), the low price is the final highest bid, all in DKK.

Re:Diamond Prices Are in Free Fall in One Key Corner of the ... by nwienert on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @08:57PM (#37400012)
These are mostly very small and not the colors you'd want, are there other places? Otherwise don't really consider this as proof you can source diamonds cheap (would love to know if so where).

Edit: searched and found about 25 places, none of them have much inventory, most are lower quality (or incredibly expensive), many are in-person only with no real pictures you can see, closest I can find is https://www.catawiki.com but still for the type/size I've been looking for there's really only two options and both are lower grade.

Re:Diamond Prices Are in Free Fall in One Key Corner of the ... by TacticalCoder on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @05:14PM (#37397839)
I agree with the rest but...

> Diamonds are effectively worthless the moment they leave the store

That's not the case! You can have the stone removed from the ring and, in case you don't have the original certificate, sent to a certification authority (like GIA) to have it graded. I think it also, once graded, gets automatically laser-engraved (above a certain carat) but I'm not sure about that: maybe you need to pay for the laser engraving too. And it's then got a value on the market: there's a worldwide market (or several) and every single jeweler in the world can see which stones are available at which price depending on their specs and book any stone and have it shipped in a few clicks.

Source: I've got a good friend who's a jeweler and he showed that to me.

Now: fancy shops (with famous names) may make fun of people by selling them stones at 3x their values or more (I don't doubt that) but you can also go to an independent jeweler and have him model/build the ring (or he'll outsource the 3D modelling) then put the stone on it and you'll pay a price much closer to actual price of the stone (the jeweler doesn't really work harder for a 0.5 carat stone vs a 2 carat one, so the bigger the stone, the less is "wasted" on the ring).

Regarding the differing values: I think it's mandatory that every lab-grown diamond above a certain carat are laser-engraved so unless labs growing these diamonds are cheating, it's extremely hard to make a lab-grown one pass for a billion years old one.

Re:Diamond Prices Are in Free Fall in One Key Corner of the ... by Someone on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @06:07PM (#37398442)
> I think it's mandatory that every lab-grown diamond above a certain carat are laser-engraved

https://www.gemsociety.org/article/lab-grown-diamonds-faq:

“Many lab-made diamonds have an inscription that identifies them as lab-made.

Diamonds can also have a lab report number inscribed on the girdle”

I think it’s very likely that, If that “above a certain carat” were true, that page would have mentioned it.

I also cannot think of a good argument why it would be reasonable to require producers of artificial diamonds to add such markers.

Re:Diamond Prices Are in Free Fall in One Key Corner of the ... by conductr on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @06:32PM (#37398712)
Because the GEM Society is a business that wants to 1) continue grading diamonds and 2) begin cataloging lab diamonds. Both of which are revenue sources.
Re:Diamond Prices Are in Free Fall in One Key Corner of the ... by Someone on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @09:44AM (#37405046)
The claim I replied to was (emphasis added)

> I think it's mandatory that every lab-grown diamond above a certain carat are laser-engraved

That’s not “diamonds that are lab-grown by GEM Society members”.

Why would it be reasonable to require anybody who’s not the GEM Society to engrave their products, so that the GEM Society can protect its source of revenues?

Re:Diamond Prices Are in Free Fall in One Key Corner of the ... by conductr on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @01:58PM (#37408652)
I think you also mentioned “reasonable” and I’m pointing to the reason. You have to remember who makes the rules and also that this is an old business that’s rich with protected interests.

But there’s also a lot of concern about stolen jewelry and even diamond swapping for seemingly legitimate businesses. So, not too hard to make it also sound like it’s for the consumers best interest.