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Re:OpenTF Repository is now Public by thecosmicfrog on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @12:58PM (#37394616)
> We're consulting with a couple of legal experts regarding the name, and it seems that even OpenTF won't be the final name due to use of "TF" in it.

Interesting that having "TF" in the name could cause issues.

Source: https://github.com/opentffoundation/opentf/issues/273#issuec...

Re:OpenTF Repository is now Public by ohad1282 on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @01:30PM (#37395056)
We learned that Word Mark is the potential issue here.

Read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wordmark for more details

(disclaimer - env0 founder here, co-lead the OpenTF initiative)

Re:OpenTF Repository is now Public by throwawayapples on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @01:25PM (#37394987)
Terror Form has a nice ring to it.
Re:OpenTF Repository is now Public by toyg on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @03:01PM (#37396214)
Too similar to the original.

On the other hand, Terror Fort...

Re:OpenTF Repository is now Public by justsomehnguy on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @04:54PM (#37397601)
Open Terror Front then, komrade!
Re:OpenTF Repository is now Public by tech_tuna on Friday September 08, 2023 @08:57AM (#37432895)
I kinda like Terrier Farm, but might just be me.
Re:OpenTF Repository is now Public by sluongng on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @01:03PM (#37394696)
Isn't Tensorflow logo "TF"?
Re:OpenTF Repository is now Public by capableweb on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @01:14PM (#37394852)
I'm guessing the issue is that it's obviously "inspired" by "Terraform" which shorthand is TF.

My second guess is that using "Open" together with something that implies "Terraform" is also a problem, as Hashicorp might sue them for defamation, as that name would imply that Terraform is not "Open". I'm not personally against that, I wouldn't consider Terraform "Open" anymore, but I'm not sure a court would see it the same way.

Re:OpenTF Repository is now Public by toyg on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @03:09PM (#37396329)
The criteria for trademarks is not defamation, but confusion.

Given a product TerraForm, known also as TF, how likely is it that a consumer would be confused into thinking "OpenTF" is made by the same people who make TF?

That's the bar to clear. In the past, some trademark owners have been fairly lax, allowing unrelated "Open" versions of their software to be established. The classic case was "SUN OpenOffice", but I suspect they got away with it because "office" was not a wordmark - the trademark was for "Microsoft Office", which is very different. In a lot of cases, the "Open" versions emerged once the software was not sold anymore, so it was impossible to be confused.

In this case, though, the software is still sold and likely carries trademarks and wordmarks. Unless OpenTF's pockets are deep enough for some serious lawyerin', it will be easier to rebrand.

Re:OpenTF Repository is now Public by cstejerean on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @03:32PM (#37396613)
I'm not seeing any trademark registrations by Hashicorp on TF, nor any mentions of TF in any of the Terraform marketing pages. Not to say that Hashicorp couldn't try to be difficult anyway, but it feels like at this point doing this would just raise the visibility of the OpenTF project.
Re:OpenTF Repository is now Public by capableweb on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @07:29AM (#37403613)
> The criteria for trademarks is not defamation, but confusion.

I'm well aware of that, I'm mentioning two potential issues, one being the "confusion" part and the other being the "defamation" part.

Re:OpenTF Repository is now Public by jonfw on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @01:11PM (#37394814)
Tensorflow isn't a direct competitor. My understanding (and I am not a lawyer) is that enforcing trademarks is based around whether or not a consumer could reasonably confuse the product with the trademark owners. A user wouldn't reasonably confuse tensorflow with terraform, but might confuse openTF with terraform
Re:OpenTF Repository is now Public by blowski on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @01:12PM (#37394831)
Tensorflow isn’t competing with TerraForm.
Re:OpenTF Repository is now Public by paulddraper on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @02:37PM (#37395906)
Kinda suspected this.

AWS created OpenSearch, not OpenES.

I'd call it OpenStatus.

Re:OpenTF Repository is now Public by comprev on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @02:57PM (#37396145)
OpenPC aka Open Planet Change

"planet change" being an alternative to "terra form"

Re:OpenTF Repository is now Public by comradesmith on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @03:39PM (#37396703)
OpenForme maybe?
Re:OpenTF Repository is now Public by aidenn0 on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @03:39PM (#37396709)
For a similar reason YP becane NIS[1].

1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_Information_Service

Re:OpenTF Repository is now Public by halostatue on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @04:38PM (#37397399)
Since this started, I’ve thought that they should probably be using xenoform instead of terraform (e.g., OpenXenoform and xf command).
Re:OpenTF Repository is now Public by b0afc375b5 on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @10:10PM (#37400612)
I thought "TerraFork" had a nice ring to it.
Re:OpenTF Repository is now Public by cutemonster on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @04:40PM (#37410994)
Open Terror Fork?