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Re:Are Cooking Videos Making Us Better Cooks? by tengbretson on Monday September 04, 2023 @12:30PM (#37382043)
Good Eats sets the standard for educational cooking content, but actually implementing the recipes Alton demonstrates usually results in a nearly day-long cooking project.
Re:Are Cooking Videos Making Us Better Cooks? by Spivak on Monday September 04, 2023 @01:49PM (#37383003)
I'm not entirely sure what else you expect? Cooking takes a long-ass time, it is a day-long full-time affair. You can hide the real time by doing prep, outright fully preparing parts of dishes agreed of time, having multiple people or buying premade but someone is putting in those hours somewhere.
Re:Are Cooking Videos Making Us Better Cooks? by nsvd on Monday September 04, 2023 @02:05PM (#37383191)
Cooking one meal should not take all day in most cases. I cook myself dinner every night and it usually takes an hour or two, plus clean-up time.
Re:Are Cooking Videos Making Us Better Cooks? by dagw on Monday September 04, 2023 @03:03PM (#37383783)
Cooking takes exactly as long as you want it to. While I do sometimes love spending all day in the kitchen when the mood takes me, I can equally turn out a decent in dish in less than 30 minutes on my own, including all prep time.
Re:Are Cooking Videos Making Us Better Cooks? by episteme on Monday September 04, 2023 @03:19PM (#37383938)
Me and my wife cook meals with fresh ingredients every night and it takes between 20 and 40 minutes. Do you order takeout for every single meal? Did your family spend every day cooking all day growing up? I'm curious how someone can have this take.
Re:Are Cooking Videos Making Us Better Cooks? by SamoyedFurFluff on Monday September 04, 2023 @03:33PM (#37384072)
I think it largely depends on what’s being cooked. My mother used to make bone broth at home, which is definitely an all day affair, but it became the basis for noodles and stew dishes for the rest of the week which took much less time…
Re:Are Cooking Videos Making Us Better Cooks? by corinroyal on Monday September 04, 2023 @06:54PM (#37385938)
I've recently figured out that I've been looking at long cooking tasks wrong. Instead of blocking the whole time for that task I block out that time for another task and take breaks where I prep the next cooking step while the pot boils unattended. I had a big mental block on making sourdough starter, as it requires attention every day for three days, which I didn't figure I could manage. But now it's just something to do while I'm making coffee. Throw some more flour and water in there and mix it up. I don't actually have to sit by the counter for three days waiting for fermentation to happen. I can't believe it took me so long to realize this.
Re:Are Cooking Videos Making Us Better Cooks? by SamoyedFurFluff on Monday September 04, 2023 @07:19PM (#37386136)
I noticed that’s something people don’t pick up on when they cook also, but some things really are all day affairs. Meaning my mom couldn’t leave the house for most of the day. Baking, certain stews, etc. function this way.
Re:Are Cooking Videos Making Us Better Cooks? by brewdad on Monday September 04, 2023 @11:09PM (#37387401)
Saturdays are frequently spent with me watching sports and my wife puttering in the kitchen a few feet away. I’ll pop in to help with retrieving ingredients or prepping later steps so things are ready when she needs them but it’s her way to decompress after the work week. It can certainly be an all day affair though.

Mid-week meals involve one of us prepping steps during the day depending on who has free time at the right moment. We do the final steps together while catching up on each other’s day. Maybe an hour of total prep time but usually less than half of that time requires active involvement.

Re:Are Cooking Videos Making Us Better Cooks? by Spivak on Monday September 04, 2023 @05:23PM (#37385220)
I'm now realizing that I'm an elitist of a kind because when I say cooking I mean something totally different from "making something to eat" and more akin to dinner service. And that's what most of Alton's recipes are aimed at, not desperation dinners.

And when you're doing this kind of thing for family dinner you and up using shortcuts like bagged premixed salad, bottled dressing, rolls from the bakery, premade desserts, jarred sauces and gravies which all hide the real time it takes to put something like that together by outsourcing it. I think the miracle of modern logistics being so normal makes people forget how much of home cooking is shortcuts that weren't always available and were marketed toward homemakers who labored over a hot stove and needed a break.

Re:Are Cooking Videos Making Us Better Cooks? by xormapmap on Monday September 04, 2023 @06:16PM (#37385645)
> shortcuts like bagged premixed salad, bottled dressing ...

At what point is something no longer a shortcut? Do you also consider the time it takes you to track, shoot, carry, & butcher an animal? Or do you take the shortcut of buying your meat? Do you grow your own wheat? Grind your own flour? Or are those shortcuts too?

Re:Are Cooking Videos Making Us Better Cooks? by Spivak on Monday September 04, 2023 @07:00PM (#37385992)
No, obviously. Are you being deliberately obtuse or do you really not know what ingredients are considered culturally to be atomic and what is considered composite and therefore a shortcut? Like there is a floor and it's not very far down.

* A cut of meat is atomic, that cut pre-marinated isn't.

* Flour is atomic, a Jiffy box is composite.

* Oil is atomic, bottled dressing is composite.

* Potatoes are atomic, frozen french fries aren't.

* 5 spice powder is atomic, but cinnamon sugar is composite.

* Cream is atomic, bottled Alfredo isn't.

* Hidden Valley packets are atomic, but bottled ranch isn't. But when bottled ranch is used as an ingredient in a larger dish it becomes atomic again.

* Rice is atomic, Uncle Ben's isn't. Same rule as ranch when it's used in a larger dish.

* Bread is composite until you make a sandwich with it.

* But this rule doesn't apply to jarred pasta sauce when made into spaghetti. But it does apply to jarred pizza sauce when made into pizza.

Like sure the rules are organic and messy as all cultural norms all, but if you cook with any regularity you just "know" them because it defines when you're allowed to say "I made this" when presenting the dish to others.

Re:Are Cooking Videos Making Us Better Cooks? by mensetmanusman on Monday September 04, 2023 @09:52PM (#37387002)
I like this thought process of different food axiom/atoms being cultural… thanks for sharing the insight!

In the context of healthy diets for living to 100 I wonder what the best axioms are.

Re:Are Cooking Videos Making Us Better Cooks? by nraf on Monday September 04, 2023 @09:58PM (#37387032)
Many of these items are complety arbitrary. As someone who's been cooking for pretty elaborate recipes for over a decade, I don't actually recall ever coming across these two distinctions.

Why is cinnamon sugar "composite" whereas 5 spice is atomic? Who defines these? Are you suggesting that if you use packaged cinnamon sugar on donuts you can't claim to have made them?

For reference, I mostly to roast and grind from whole spices. If I need garam masala, Chinese 5 spice, Lebanese 7 spice, etc, I'll make it from scratch. If I new cumin or coriander powder, etc, I'll grind them in my spice grinder.

Are you suggesting that jarred pasta sauce and pizza are different to each other? Following your criteria, I'd classify both as composite.

Not to say that I disagree with most of the list - there's a distinction between highly processed and cooking dishes from scratch, but it's more nuanced than what you've presented here.

Re:Are Cooking Videos Making Us Better Cooks? by caseyohara on Monday September 04, 2023 @07:11PM (#37386082)
This reminds me of a quote that's been around a while (about music production but perfectly analogous to cooking)

> I thought using loops was cheating, so I programmed my own using samples.

> I then thought using samples was cheating, so I recorded real drums.

> I then thought that programming it was cheating, so I learned to play drums for real.

> I then thought using bought drums was cheating, so I learned to make my own.

> I then thought using premade skins was cheating, so I killed a goat and skinned it.

> I then thought that that was cheating too, so I grew my own goat from a baby goat.

> I also think that is cheating, but I’m not sure where to go from here.

> I haven’t made any music lately, what with the goat farming and all.

Re:Are Cooking Videos Making Us Better Cooks? by josiahpeters on Monday September 04, 2023 @08:25PM (#37386509)
Oh no. This describes my desire to make a large following the Gingery Machine shop series.
Re:Are Cooking Videos Making Us Better Cooks? by dekhn on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @12:01PM (#37393617)
See also "The Toaster Project"- building a toaster from scratch using raw materials (even then, there was some cheating).
Re:Are Cooking Videos Making Us Better Cooks? by akavi on Monday September 04, 2023 @07:51PM (#37386324)
What does "dinner service" mean to you?

I cook a fairly standard south Indian dinner of daal stew, rice + stir fried veggies a couple times a week in ~30-45 minutes of total work. Nothing preprocessed, premixed, or premade other than (and these are really stretching the definitions thereof):

* Asofoetida powder that's been preground and dried for me

* The rice has been polished and debran-ed (ie, turned into white rice)

* pressure cooked lentils (I make a big batch every weekend or so and freeze it into dinner sized portions)

Re:Are Cooking Videos Making Us Better Cooks? by hgsgm on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @12:04AM (#37387711)
You skipped the naan and lassi and samosa/pakora and sauces.
Re:Are Cooking Videos Making Us Better Cooks? by akavi on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @12:57AM (#37388045)
Why would a south Indian meal involve naan and lassi?
Re:Are Cooking Videos Making Us Better Cooks? by dagw on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @04:25AM (#37389204)
And that's what most of Alton's recipes are aimed at, not desperation dinners.

It's admittedly been years since I last watched Good Eats, but that is not how I remember it all. Almost everything he demonstrated was just as applicable when throwing together a quick pasta dish as it is to making a full 7 course dinner.

Re:Are Cooking Videos Making Us Better Cooks? by edgarvaldes on Monday September 04, 2023 @07:52PM (#37386326)
My wife is a great cook. Breakfast and dinner can be 20-40 minutes. But the main dish of the day (lunch) takes us between 45 and 120 minutes.
Re:Are Cooking Videos Making Us Better Cooks? by darth_avocado on Monday September 04, 2023 @08:21PM (#37386491)
It really depends what you’re making. For example, some cuisines like asian food can take a very long time if you make it from scratch. Then there’s also a matter of balance, cooking a steak and sautéing some veggies can take minutes, at the same time if you’re trying to get a healthy balance of protein, carbs and veggies in all of your meals, then it can take forever unless you meal prep.

An added component is how many meals we are talking about. Making breakfast, lunch and dinner can be very painful unless you meal prep or get quick and easy items (readymade salads, overnight oats, frozen food etc.)

Re:Are Cooking Videos Making Us Better Cooks? by hgsgm on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @12:00AM (#37387694)
What's the difference between "cooking a steak and sautéing some veggies" and "trying to get a healthy balance of protein, carbs and veggies"?

OK, sure, baking bread takes a while.

Re:Are Cooking Videos Making Us Better Cooks? by mbg721 on Tuesday September 05, 2023 @10:52AM (#37392471)
I always thought of Asian food as being relatively quick to prepare--a stir-fry can be done in the half-hour it takes to cook a pot of rice. It really does depend on the dish.
Re:Are Cooking Videos Making Us Better Cooks? by mortureb on Monday September 04, 2023 @09:55PM (#37387013)
Not at all. My wife can whip up something delicious and complex in under 30-40 minutes.
Re:Are Cooking Videos Making Us Better Cooks? by mianos on Monday September 04, 2023 @10:19PM (#37387143)
It is highly possible to take a whole day the first time you cook something new. Being a good cook is as much about managing time and processes as it is learning the recipe.

The more you cook something the quicker it is.

There are many shortcuts, such as:

- cooking rice in the evening before.

- Cooking extra.

- Using a pressure-cooker.

- Using a mini oven.

- Using the griller for more heat.

- Sometimes using the microwave to pre cook things can lead to faster times. (Not often for me).

- Purchasing partially prepared items. Pre cut carrots etc.

- Using a deep fryer.