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Re:ISPs Should Not Police Online Speech – No Matter How Awfu... by concordDance on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @06:33AM (#37319887)
Should it be a criminal offense to call someone a useless layabout who will never amount to anything and should have been aborted?

I worry that we've started to use the ponderous blunt government legal system more and more widely for things that used to be resolved via society and community censure. The law should be restricted to the most serious and large scale community disrupting acts, not for policing every bit of cheating, insults and lying. It's very unsuited for the latter.

Re:ISPs Should Not Police Online Speech – No Matter How Awfu... by zimpenfish on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @06:41AM (#37319973)
> [the law is] very unsuited for [policing every bit of cheating, insults and lying]

100% agree. But since public shame and censure no longer work for limiting people's actions[1] that negatively affect others, what else do we have?

[1] And any time anyone tries, people scream "CANCEL CULTURE!!!!".

Re:ISPs Should Not Police Online Speech – No Matter How Awfu... by concordDance on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @07:39AM (#37320508)
Worth noting that kiwifarms only negatively harms people who don't read it via the statoshistic terrorism mechanism.

Which would also apply to places like pre-Musk Twitter, reddit, tumblr and Facebook (and indeed every social media site), all of which have lead to targeted and sustained harassment of people, often for things they didn't actually do.

Re:ISPs Should Not Police Online Speech – No Matter How Awfu... by greyface- on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @06:40AM (#37319960)
> things that used to be resolved via society and community censure

Hurricane declining to accept KiwiFarms' /36 into its BGP table is community censure.

Re:ISPs Should Not Police Online Speech – No Matter How Awfu... by concordDance on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @07:31AM (#37320434)
And I think I agree that is the right level for this sort of thing to take place, even if I might disagree with both the specific decision and whether this sort of entity (monopoly level ISPs) should be able to make that decision.
Re:ISPs Should Not Police Online Speech – No Matter How Awfu... by bluescrn on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @09:37AM (#37321960)
What is the 'community' in this case? The entire globe, all Internet users?

On a local scale, 'community censure' may work well. But not so much on a global scale, where a few determined activists on the other side of the world can get a person fired, take away their Internet services, or even have their banking services removed, all over issues of 'speech', with no due process involved.

Re:ISPs Should Not Police Online Speech – No Matter How Awfu... by greyface- on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @09:58AM (#37322278)
The community of network operators exchanging routes over BGP. Get yourself an ASN and some IP space and join us! At the end of the day, the Internet is a collection of independent networks, interconnected voluntarily when there is mutual benefit to doing so.
Re:ISPs Should Not Police Online Speech – No Matter How Awfu... by Mountain_Skies on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @08:58AM (#37321380)
Community standards cannot exist in a diverse multicultural society because there no longer is a broad agreement on what those standards should be. Even things as basic as prohibitions on murder have various different "well, in this particular situation" exclusions that differ by culture. So anything that used to be community enforced now has to be elevated to legal enforcement, with some cultures disadvantaged and others favored by the choice of what the government will enforce on all regardless of individual cultural standards.
Re:ISPs Should Not Police Online Speech – No Matter How Awfu... by concordDance on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @09:01AM (#37321424)
Or we can let different communities and cultures keep their different social norms and accept a bit of friction/"injustice" when people from one culture interact with another.