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Re:ISPs Should Not Police Online Speech – No Matter How Awfu... by commandlinefan on Tuesday August 29, 2023 @05:11PM (#37314161)
> develop its own ways of dealing with people who use it to harm others

So far, every "way" that's been developed of dealing with people who harm others has itself been used to harm others in more extreme ways than the harm they were supposed to mitigate.

Re:ISPs Should Not Police Online Speech – No Matter How Awfu... by krapp on Tuesday August 29, 2023 @06:50PM (#37315192)
>So far, every "way" that's been developed of dealing with people who harm others has itself been used to harm others in more extreme ways than the harm they were supposed to mitigate.

Has it?

Some of the people Kiwifarms harassed were driven to suicide. Your argument is that having a forum taken offline is a more extreme form of harm than literal death?

Re:ISPs Should Not Police Online Speech – No Matter How Awfu... by stale2002 on Tuesday August 29, 2023 @07:57PM (#37315821)
It is not that the forum going down in and of itself is the harm.

Instead it is that this precedent can be used by much more authoritarian groups to target groups that you support.

Now its KF, and after that other countries are telling these tech services to take down gay and lesbian support groups, or even a state in the US could force abortion services offline.

Its a loophole that could be used as an end run around the 1st amendment, to take out groups that you support just as much as it can be used against things that you want taken down.

Are you OK with sacrificing those groups for your cause? What would you tell them? That they are just worthwhile collateral damage?

Re:ISPs Should Not Police Online Speech – No Matter How Awfu... by hobs on Tuesday August 29, 2023 @09:26PM (#37316510)
Authoritarian groups are already targeting groups "you support", states and countries are telling tech services to take down lesbian and gay support groups, and states in the US have effectively forced abortion services offline.

Those things have and are happening, and kiwifarms is not the reason any of that occur.

Re:ISPs Should Not Police Online Speech – No Matter How Awfu... by stale2002 on Tuesday August 29, 2023 @10:03PM (#37316768)
> Those things have and are happening

Yes they are, and when other websites get taken down this gives leverage to authoritarian groups to target them even more.

It directly increases the amount of requires and pressure that is put on them, even though, yes, pressure is already on these groups.

The pressure increases every time a provider caves to demands.

Re:ISPs Should Not Police Online Speech – No Matter How Awfu... by wredue on Tuesday August 29, 2023 @09:31PM (#37316552)
I am 100% okay with fascist genocidal maniacs spreading hate being deplatformed.
Re:ISPs Should Not Police Online Speech – No Matter How Awfu... by stale2002 on Tuesday August 29, 2023 @10:04PM (#37316774)
Are you ok with gay and lesbian support groups, and abortion services being taken down because other websites being taken down made these service providers more vulnerable?
Re:ISPs Should Not Police Online Speech – No Matter How Awfu... by chonkerz on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @02:48AM (#37318511)
One thing does not logically lead to another. What an unreasonable argument. I could say the same thing about the thousands of malware and phish websites that are taken down every day.
Re:ISPs Should Not Police Online Speech – No Matter How Awfu... by richbell on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @11:41AM (#37323843)
> I could say the same thing about the thousands of malware and phish websites that are taken down every day.

Malware and phishing are illegal.

Re:ISPs Should Not Police Online Speech – No Matter How Awfu... by chonkerz on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @04:47PM (#37328863)
So is harassment and stalking.
Re:ISPs Should Not Police Online Speech – No Matter How Awfu... by wredue on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @09:13AM (#37321615)
Gay people just want to live their lives.

Fascist genocidal maniacs want to kill everyone that disagrees with them, including the gays.

Neat slippery slope you’ve crafted, but it doesn’t logically follow.

You also can’t walk in to a crowded space and yell “FIRE”, I guess that means the gubment is coming for your houses heating?

Re:ISPs Should Not Police Online Speech – No Matter How Awfu... by bobsmith432 on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @12:00PM (#37324103)
Great job at very conveniently making this about social and political issues instead of answering his question.
Re:ISPs Should Not Police Online Speech – No Matter How Awfu... by chonkerz on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @02:46AM (#37318502)
Kiwifarms isn't the first website ever to be taken down. Taking it down won't cause one bit of harm to legitimate websites. It's not that important. Don't worry.
Re:ISPs Should Not Police Online Speech – No Matter How Awfu... by ThrowawayTestr on Tuesday August 29, 2023 @10:40PM (#37317017)
>Some of the people Kiwifarms harassed were driven to suicide.

This is repeated often but there's no proof for these claims. There's more evidence that Reddit has a greater kill count than KF.

Re:ISPs Should Not Police Online Speech – No Matter How Awfu... by chonkerz on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @02:49AM (#37318519)
At least Reddit actually bans doxing. Can your beloved kiwifarms say the same?
Re:ISPs Should Not Police Online Speech – No Matter How Awfu... by check89 on Wednesday August 30, 2023 @09:47PM (#37331511)
> Some of the people Kiwifarms harassed were driven to suicide.

Who?