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Re:AI Crap – Drew Devault by mort96 on Tuesday August 29, 2023 @07:39AM (#37306232)
Is that supposed to be a serious opinion about contemporary AI..?

Because that's crazy to me. Humans can be reasoned with. AI can't. My experience with the likes of ChatGPT tells me that if the AI is wrong about something (which it very very often is), there's no point trying to explain to it that it's wrong or how it's wrong, it will say something like "You are right, sorry for the confusion." and follow up with the same or a similar error again.

AI might eventually become an alright first line, but losing the option to speak with a human -- an intelligent entity which can actually be reasoned with -- seems dystopic.

Re:AI Crap – Drew Devault by RufusJacksons on Tuesday August 29, 2023 @08:16AM (#37306585)
Having worked in customer service before, the only time customers tried to reason with me was when they were wrong. For at least a large portion of customer service calls, the ability to reason is a negative. Customer calls to say the product is faulty, and with a simple question they admit they didn’t connect the ground wire. They then try to reason with me that they deserve a warranty replacement because their mum just got cancer - fuck reason on cs calls. (Reason might still have a place on complex situations [which yours never is], customer retainment, sales etc)

Even as the top tier tech support for a complex product, 99% of my calls could have been dealt with well by chat gpt in its current form. And my customers would have a more concise outcome, without the variability of my mood, hold times, judgement of their tone etc to effect my advice.

I can’t wait for more ai cs so I can stop talking to a fuckwhit, and talk to an ai that’s almost certainly far more equipped to handle my query.

Re:AI Crap – Drew Devault by mort96 on Tuesday August 29, 2023 @08:51AM (#37307019)
I'm not talking about a customer arguing that they deserve warranty. I mean if the human CS agent misunderstands the problem, the customer can explain the problem better and try to make the human CS agent understand. If the "AI" CS agent misunderstands the problem, there is no recourse.
Re:AI Crap – Drew Devault by nottorp on Tuesday August 29, 2023 @09:06AM (#37307251)
Not to mention when you have a problem the AI hasn't been trained for.

With humans you have a chance to escalate. With a chatbot, you might as well take your business somewhere else.

Re:AI Crap – Drew Devault by andai on Tuesday August 29, 2023 @09:01PM (#37316315)
These things already exist (primitive form) and most of them already have the option to escalate.

It's usually well hidden though, to save money.

Re:AI Crap – Drew Devault by andai on Tuesday August 29, 2023 @08:58PM (#37316292)
> Is that supposed to be a serious opinion about contemporary AI..?

No. We're talking about the future. ChatGPT doesn't have millions of hours of customer service experience. It has zero!

(Well, unless you count the RLHF stuff, but my point is it isn't actually learning from human feedback, although we don't actually know what they're doing with those thumbs up / down buttons...)

> losing the option to speak with a human

Already the case at many companies, sadly. (In those cases, if not elsewhere, it's going to be a significant improvement.)

Re:AI Crap – Drew Devault by Aerbil313 on Thursday August 31, 2023 @07:29AM (#37335542)
> an intelligent entity which can actually be reasoned with

We're just too impatient to wait for GPT-7 aren't we?