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Re:New Images and Video Confirm Austin-Made Tesla Model Y Ha... by viknesh on Monday August 28, 2023 @08:30AM (#37292996)
If this vehicle were truly unsafe to drive (according to US safety standards), what legal recourse would an individual consumer have to have this fixed?

Unless the user gets in an accident, is there a way to actually prove the frame is structurally defective?

Re:New Images and Video Confirm Austin-Made Tesla Model Y Ha... by print_goto_ten on Monday August 28, 2023 @08:38AM (#37293065)
Lemon law likely applies
Re:New Images and Video Confirm Austin-Made Tesla Model Y Ha... by raverbashing on Monday August 28, 2023 @09:12AM (#37293395)
> is there a way to actually prove the frame is structurally defective?

I think the photos do that just fine

Re:New Images and Video Confirm Austin-Made Tesla Model Y Ha... by foooorsyth on Monday August 28, 2023 @09:15AM (#37293437)
This is a Lemon Law slam dunk
Re:New Images and Video Confirm Austin-Made Tesla Model Y Ha... by owenmarshall on Monday August 28, 2023 @09:30AM (#37293649)
Lawsuit.

Tesla's service center might be willing to say "within spec!" but I suspect they'll have a much harder time finding an engineer willing to put their license on the line in court.

Re:New Images and Video Confirm Austin-Made Tesla Model Y Ha... by throwboatyface on Monday August 28, 2023 @09:48AM (#37293910)
Pretty sure the onus is on the manufacturer to produce cars in a repeatable fashion such that crash test samples are representative. If they can't make the cars consistently they shouldn't be making cars.
Re:New Images and Video Confirm Austin-Made Tesla Model Y Ha... by HumblyTossed on Monday August 28, 2023 @11:02AM (#37295175)
> what legal recourse would an individual consumer have to have this fixed?

A lawsuit. That is what the legal system is for. But for some reason people seem to look down on this which I find baffling.

Re:New Images and Video Confirm Austin-Made Tesla Model Y Ha... by trogdor on Monday August 28, 2023 @12:54PM (#37297075)
When you buy a Tesla, you agree to arbitrate all disputes with Tesla.

Including Lemon Law claims.

Re:New Images and Video Confirm Austin-Made Tesla Model Y Ha... by HumblyTossed on Monday August 28, 2023 @03:07PM (#37298980)
Fair, but I was speaking more generally.
Re:New Images and Video Confirm Austin-Made Tesla Model Y Ha... by Obi_Juan_Kenobi on Monday August 28, 2023 @05:13PM (#37300473)
They can write whatever they like; state law dictates how it actually proceeds.

In my state, you must start with arbitration but you have zero obligation to accept that decision and can sue regardless of outcome.

Re:New Images and Video Confirm Austin-Made Tesla Model Y Ha... by trogdor on Monday August 28, 2023 @07:05PM (#37301500)
I don't think that is true in the United States. The Federal Arbitration Act applies nationwide, and it explicitly preempts state law.

If you think that I am wrong, please explain why.

(You are right that you "can sue regardless of outcome," but only in the sense that anyone can sue anyone for anything. If you enter into an agreement to arbitrate disputes, the outcome of that arbitration is generally binding.)