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Re:Evergrande shares plunge as much as 87% as trading resume... by yazaddaruvala on Monday August 28, 2023 @01:45AM (#37290226)
They sold more than they have created. Ie they need money to finish the ones they have sold.

And they have excess debts that their assets no longer cover because the housing market crashed.

Additionally, they just took on obscene debts. The banks did not do the appropriate due diligence (hypothesis is the local governments interfered).

But I know only what rando YouTube videos have told me.

Re:Evergrande shares plunge as much as 87% as trading resume... by bboygravity on Monday August 28, 2023 @02:02AM (#37290358)
TLDR: there's a huge regulatory crisis going on in both the US and China markets (again). Now the failure of 1 large entity can crash entire empire(s).

Basically the same corruption that societies have been battling ever since societies existed.

Re:Evergrande shares plunge as much as 87% as trading resume... by slushh on Monday August 28, 2023 @02:30AM (#37290544)
What's the worst that can happen? It's all just numbers on papers or memory. When Evergrande folds, others will pick up the opportunity.

Why should the government and the non-investors pay for government agencies that enforce regulations? If investors cannot handle due diligence, let them pay private agencies to secure their investments.

Re:Evergrande shares plunge as much as 87% as trading resume... by alex_duf on Monday August 28, 2023 @02:46AM (#37290648)
Any financial crisis was just numbers on papers or memory. Yet implications are very tangible
Re:Evergrande shares plunge as much as 87% as trading resume... by ben_w on Monday August 28, 2023 @02:56AM (#37290724)
> What's the worst that can happen?

The Great Depression, the Great Recession.

> Why should the government and the non-investors pay for government agencies that enforce regulations?

Apart from them being ostensibly a communist nation, it's good for business. Everyone's business.

This is also why Greece got a lot of help from Germany and the IMF about 10-15 years back.

> If investors cannot handle due diligence, let them pay private agencies to secure their investments.

How? The investment is a promise to build a home.

Re:Evergrande shares plunge as much as 87% as trading resume... by sam_goody on Monday August 28, 2023 @05:10AM (#37291557)
>> What's the worst that can happen?

> The Great Depression, the Great Recession.

If China descends into chaos, it could be alot worse than the Great depression, since so much of the world depends on China, and since they have a crazy arsenal of weapons.

Re:Evergrande shares plunge as much as 87% as trading resume... by ben_w on Monday August 28, 2023 @07:29AM (#37292450)
The Great Depression was almost certainly a contributing factor to WW2.
Re:Evergrande shares plunge as much as 87% as trading resume... by qwytw on Monday August 28, 2023 @12:53PM (#37297060)
Yes, the nazis were a fringe political part polling below 3% before 1929. The Weimar republic was relatively stable and it seemed that the biggest economical issues were already behind..
Re:Evergrande shares plunge as much as 87% as trading resume... by itronitron on Monday August 28, 2023 @03:18AM (#37290865)
Worst that can happen? If banks have used peoples' savings to purchase Evergrande debt or anything related then the banks may not get repaid which would result in the banks losing peoples' money leading to people spending less money resulting in a recession or depression.
Re:Evergrande shares plunge as much as 87% as trading resume... by landemva on Monday August 28, 2023 @03:35AM (#37290991)
Instead of the bad debt defaulting and a recession, what alternative is there? Prop it up a little longer? Default on everything, go to CBDC, and issue everyone monthly CBDC tokens to buy food?
Re:Evergrande shares plunge as much as 87% as trading resume... by rightbyte on Monday August 28, 2023 @06:09AM (#37291915)
I guess you could forgive the loans people took for houses that were not built and let the bond holders share the hit.
Re:Evergrande shares plunge as much as 87% as trading resume... by IG_Semmelweiss on Monday August 28, 2023 @06:48AM (#37292179)
I think some of the bondholders are banks. The others are ccp cadre.

That will trigger a run.

Re:Evergrande shares plunge as much as 87% as trading resume... by SomeoneFromCA on Monday August 28, 2023 @04:47AM (#37291423)
Mandatory liberatarian "let the market decide" post.
Re:Evergrande shares plunge as much as 87% as trading resume... by oblio on Monday August 28, 2023 @04:51AM (#37291447)
> What's the worst that can happen? It's all just numbers on papers or memory.

Pardon my French, numbers on paper my ass.

Economic uncertainty leads to people killing themselves. Suicide rates go up during recessions and depressions.

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpubh.2022.9070...

> In general, economic crisis, unemployment rate and other macroeconomic measures are associated with increased risk of suicidal behavior at the aggregated level.