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Re:Web Scraping for Me, but Not for Thee by Buttons840 on Friday August 25, 2023 @06:53PM (#37268023)
Well said. This reminds me of my own thoughts:

There are two ways of thinking about what a webpage is:

1) A web page is a billboard

2) A web page is a pamphlet

If a webpage is a billboard, then it is morally wrong for me to paint over those sections of the billboard that I do not like (i.e., using an ad-blocker). This viewpoint is held by those who own webpages (because they want control over it) and by those who cannot change what a webpage looks like (common users).

If a webpage is a pamphlet, then I'm free to cut it up and re-arrange it however I want. Naturally, those with knowledge to cut and re-arrange are more likely to take this view. This viewpoint is more technically correct, a webpage is just a few bits of information handed to me, and to the extent I control my own computer I can cut up those bits and view them however I want.

It's fair to say that Amazon.com contains Amazon's webpage, and that Amazon owns that web page. And yet, I've never once viewed Amazon.com without using an electronic device owned by myself or another non-Amazon entity. Amazon.com doesn't exist on a billboard, it requires the use of electronic devices owned by other people. What rights do the owners of those electronic devices have? Any?

Re:Web Scraping for Me, but Not for Thee by chii on Friday August 25, 2023 @11:40PM (#37269757)
For the case of the billboard, what happens if you viewed them thru glasses (let's suppose it's google glass), and you use software to blot out the parts of the billboard you don't like?

You're not painting over the billboard, just blocking the light reflected off it for yourself. It does not affect others.

Re:Web Scraping for Me, but Not for Thee by autumn-antlers on Saturday August 26, 2023 @03:21AM (#37270556)
To play devil's advocate, what about selling that device? What if it's integrated into an existing smartglasses platform?

What if you only block your competator's ads? What if you replace them with your own? (..does Brave do this?)

What if you block all ads (yours, and your competitors), but in so doing, exploit the inertia of a consumer who is a.) already using your product, and b.) actively sheltered from exposure to the market?

ohh, i got it: just don't block ads for FAANG /s

Re:Web Scraping for Me, but Not for Thee by plonk on Saturday August 26, 2023 @05:41PM (#37277173)
What device can you buy today with integrated ad blocking enabled by default?

Ad blockers having paying partnerships can be a problem, but something like Ublock Origin does not.

Re:Web Scraping for Me, but Not for Thee by genewitch on Saturday August 26, 2023 @07:04PM (#37277714)
I'm gunna plug AdNauseam. I like it better than uBO or the ilk, because it clicks every ad it blocks. It completely breaks marketing platforms for me, i never get relevant ads when i do see them. According to marketer data, i want to see ads for everything. It also makes some websearch hilarious - i search for "microwave frequency QAM" and it's all ads for kenmore and GE countertop cookers. I avoid search engines that give crap data, because they're trying to get me to buy stuff, i just want search results, thanks.

It also keeps a handy "cost to advertisers" metric you can view. I'm over $40,000 at this point.

Re:Web Scraping for Me, but Not for Thee by account42 on Monday August 28, 2023 @07:00AM (#37292254)
Are trying to make a point? Because none of any of this is any worse than ads in the first place? Why would it be ok to influence customers using ads but not by blocking ads?
Re:Web Scraping for Me, but Not for Thee by autumn-antlers on Saturday September 02, 2023 @01:23AM (#37358745)
Antitrust, but I see your point; we ought to put pro-consumerism first.
Re:Web Scraping for Me, but Not for Thee by Viliam1234 on Saturday August 26, 2023 @09:27AM (#37272692)
Sounds simple to me: Are you modifying the web page on the server or on the client? The former should be illegal, the latter legal.
Re:Web Scraping for Me, but Not for Thee by account42 on Monday August 28, 2023 @06:55AM (#37292227)
> If a webpage is a billboard, then it is morally wrong for me to paint over those sections of the billboard that I do not like (i.e., using an ad-blocker). This viewpoint is held by those who own webpages (because they want control over it) and by those who cannot change what a webpage looks like (common users).

Why is it morally wrong to paint over billboards?

But even if we accept that unfounded premise, the equivalent of ad blocking would be to hold something in front your eyes blocking the billboard as an ad blocker does not prevent other visitors from seeing the ads but paint does.