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Re:New York, California Lose Firms Managing an Estimated $2T... by dgrin91 on Friday August 25, 2023 @12:27PM (#37263589)
The wealth is not spread. The same few companies still control that $2T, they just moved their offices. All that happened is that now NY&CA lost some jobs/tax revenue.
Re:New York, California Lose Firms Managing an Estimated $2T... by lotsofpulp on Friday August 25, 2023 @12:29PM (#37263624)
Did they even lose tax revenue other than income tax from some admin jobs? Most states have moved to market based sourcing rules for corporate taxes, so revenue is taxed where the services are received. If the clients are still in CA/NY, I presume it does not change much.

In either case, changes in income quintile/decile would be a better measure than whatever this article is supposed to show.

Re:New York, California Lose Firms Managing an Estimated $2T... by koolba on Friday August 25, 2023 @12:38PM (#37263765)
> Did they even lose tax revenue other than income tax from some admin jobs?

There's no doubt that there is more to lose than just the direct job losses. There's the GDP impact of those people traveling to the city, eating lunch, taking out clients, sticking around after work to socialize. It's not easy to put a number on it but it's definitely much larger than just the direct income tax losses.

> Most states have moved to market based sourcing rules for corporate taxes, so revenue is taxed where the services are received. If the clients are still in CA/NY, I presume it does not change much.

It doesn't work like that for managing assets as the client is delivering the assets to the manager in their jurisdiction. Where the manager's revenue is taxed is based on the location of those employees and the company headquarters. Not where the customer assets came from.

Re:New York, California Lose Firms Managing an Estimated $2T... by User23 on Friday August 25, 2023 @12:41PM (#37263811)
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Re:New York, California Lose Firms Managing an Estimated $2T... by woodruffw on Friday August 25, 2023 @12:53PM (#37264004)
FTR: NYC's income tax ranges between 3.078% and 3.876%.
Re:New York, California Lose Firms Managing an Estimated $2T... by lotsofpulp on Friday August 25, 2023 @12:45PM (#37263890)
While not as authoritative as I would like, a quick search came up with this:

https://www.mhmcpa.com/insights/article/evaluating-economic-...

> States are currently electing to move from performance-based sourcing methods to market-based sourcing, which may prove difficult for PE/VC firms that will be required to allocate management fees to the home states of their investors rather than where they conduct business. The management company may be considered to have economic nexus in a state where its fund’s investors are located if management fees are allocated to those states and economic nexus thresholds are exceeded.

https://rsmus.com/insights/services/business-tax/state-nexus...

Re:New York, California Lose Firms Managing an Estimated $2T... by koolba on Friday August 25, 2023 @12:58PM (#37264106)
> The management company may be considered to have economic nexus in a state where its fund’s investors are located if management fees are allocated to those states and economic nexus thresholds are exceeded.

Ha! One cannot even imagine the wave of litigation that will fight this effort. I don't see the States winning the cases either.

Re:New York, California Lose Firms Managing an Estimated $2T... by lotsofpulp on Friday August 25, 2023 @01:00PM (#37264128)
Market based sourcing rules have been in effect for many years now. Any litigation would have already happened.
Re:New York, California Lose Firms Managing an Estimated $2T... by Justsignedup on Monday August 28, 2023 @10:45AM (#37294853)
I believe a big chunk of the NY city budget is property taxes on the big boi buildings all over, as well as private houses. This is why NY is squeezing so hard on things like parking tickets and the MTA, because they are having budgeting issues :( Remember that time where they were overly aggressive ticketing people for seatbelt usage (I loved that because it made people actually buckle up) and it was 100% because they needed revenue.
Re:New York, California Lose Firms Managing an Estimated $2T... by edgyquant on Friday August 25, 2023 @12:35PM (#37263725)
Sounds like spreading the wealth to me
Re:New York, California Lose Firms Managing an Estimated $2T... by smolder on Friday August 25, 2023 @12:38PM (#37263770)
It seems you're talking about different senses of spreading. Geography versus economic structures.
Re:New York, California Lose Firms Managing an Estimated $2T... by sarajevo on Friday August 25, 2023 @12:29PM (#37263628)
It also creates jobs in Florida and Texas…
Re:New York, California Lose Firms Managing an Estimated $2T... by toomuchtodo on Friday August 25, 2023 @12:38PM (#37263772)
How many Walmart's worth? Big numbers are meh, just tell us what the state income tax delta is (federal taxes still getting paid). It's not a total loss, people will still move and work in the locales these jobs moved from, as well as pay property taxes (as real estate prices and rents aren't going down in CA and NY from all available data).

If California and NY want those dollars back, extract it through the federal government and the top 40% who pay federal income tax and can't avoid it (congresscritter hustle). You know, like red states do.

Re:New York, California Lose Firms Managing an Estimated $2T... by MisterBastahrd on Friday August 25, 2023 @12:42PM (#37263833)
Not enough to even notice. I live in Texas. They always have some blurb about X company moving to Dallas and "creating" 500 jobs, and that's the last time you hear about them until they pop up in a WARN notice.
Re:New York, California Lose Firms Managing an Estimated $2T... by lockhouse on Friday August 25, 2023 @12:38PM (#37263769)
Yeah, but they vote the “wrong” way so they’re not important. /s