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Re:The place where no humans will tread for 100k years by Animats on Friday August 25, 2023 @02:16AM (#37258663)
Oh, the horror!

This is the right solution - dry storage in hard rock in some rock formation that hasn't done anything in millions of years. Originally, in addition to Yucca Mountain, there was a plan for an East Coast nuclear waste repository in hard rock, probably in Maine or Vermont.

When it's full, the Finland plan is to fill in everything, seal it off, and not mark it. If some future society can drill through that much hard rock, they probably know about radiation, since that's a routine hazard in mining.

Re:The place where no humans will tread for 100k years by peoplefromibiza on Friday August 25, 2023 @04:06AM (#37259279)
> dry storage in hard rock in some rock formation that hasn't done anything in millions of years

that's exactly why they chose it and it makes a lot of sense.

If the environment is so stable, you don't have to worry about earth own internal movements too much.

This is old news, it's been amply debated, there's a documentary by Michael Madsen titled "Into Eternity" where pros and cons are discussed at lenght, the movie is from 2010, 13 years ago.

You can find it on YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayLxB9fV2y4

Re:The place where no humans will tread for 100k years by sebazzz on Friday August 25, 2023 @04:45AM (#37259503)
> When it's full, the Finland plan is to fill in everything, seal it off, and not mark it. If some future society can drill through that much hard rock, they probably know about radiation, since that's a routine hazard in mining.

Reminds me of that Star Trek episode where Data, confused, walked with an suitcase with irradiated materials to a village that was just discovering the basic elements. They got irradiated because they couldn't understand the radiation symbols on the suitcase.

Re:The place where no humans will tread for 100k years by elihu on Friday August 25, 2023 @05:35AM (#37259765)
Thine Own Self. I just watched that a couple days ago.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0708826/

Re:The place where no humans will tread for 100k years by pimlottc on Friday August 25, 2023 @08:47AM (#37261094)
Re:The place where no humans will tread for 100k years by print_goto_ten on Friday August 25, 2023 @07:31AM (#37260516)
"This is the right solution "

Right to me implies the best. Its not the best. Shooting it to the sun seems like a better alternative.

Re:The place where no humans will tread for 100k years by regularjack on Friday August 25, 2023 @07:37AM (#37260549)
What could possibly go wrong.
Re:The place where no humans will tread for 100k years by Ylpertnodi on Friday August 25, 2023 @07:54AM (#37260665)
>"This is the right solution"

...may not be the correct decision.

Re:The place where no humans will tread for 100k years by daneel_w on Friday August 25, 2023 @08:03AM (#37260729)
Sending it into the sun could be a solution for a lot of our waste. But I wonder if the energy we need to produce/spend to first launch all of it into our orbit won't create more problems than what we're trying to get rid of.
Re:The place where no humans will tread for 100k years by mcv on Friday August 25, 2023 @08:04AM (#37260739)
You want to put a large amount of highly radioactive waste on top of a couple of tons of highly explosive rocket fuel? What could possibly go wrong?

Putting it deep underground is the safer option.

Re:The place where no humans will tread for 100k years by adhesive_wombat on Saturday August 26, 2023 @07:18AM (#37271741)
Not a couple of tons, thousands and thousands of tons. A rocket to move any significant mass of waste to the sun (far more delta-v than getting to the moon, or escaping the solar system), without decades-long journeys [1] would make Saturn V and Starship look like toys, or if would be a very complex asssemble-in-orbit deal.

[1] you can use gravity assists like the Parker Solar Probe, or go very, very far out, make a small adjustment and then fall back in for about 1/3 the total delta-v.

Re:The place where no humans will tread for 100k years by oneshtein on Friday August 25, 2023 @08:33AM (#37260972)
Don't worry, Sun will consume these rods at right time in the future, with rest of our plant. We don't need to store this waste indefinitely. We need to keep it safe just for few billions years.
Re:The place where no humans will tread for 100k years by BoxOfRain on Friday August 25, 2023 @10:00AM (#37261838)
Even if you wanted to put a bunch of very radioactive waste on a rocket which might not necessarily make it away from Earth, it'd be very wasteful of fuel to shoot it into the sun compared to shooting it out of the solar system.

To get something to fall into the sun rather than just carry on orbiting it you need it to lose the velocity it has by virtue of being launched from Earth, if you just punt it into interstellar space on the other hand you need a lot less fuel and you can get a boost from the planets if you line it up right.

Re:The place where no humans will tread for 100k years by belter on Friday August 25, 2023 @10:48AM (#37262334)
Launch Nucler Waste on top of Rockets? What could go wrong?

"Space Launch Vehicle Reliability" - https://www.tech-insider.org/related/research/2001/0301.html

"Of the 4378 space launches conducted worldwide between 1957 and 1999, 390 launches failed (the success rate was 91.1 percent)"

Re:The place where no humans will tread for 100k years by dabber21 on Friday August 25, 2023 @10:58AM (#37262466)
kurzgesagt has a video on this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Us2Z-WC9rao