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Re:No app, no entry: How the digital world is failing the no... by abwizz on Thursday August 24, 2023 @11:16AM (#37249812)
no turn it around

your phone just broke/stolen/lost, do you forfeit your right to enter these places and use their services some of which might be "essential"?

Re:No app, no entry: How the digital world is failing the no... by dmazzoni on Thursday August 24, 2023 @11:37AM (#37250104)
I've never been to such an event where using your smartphone to pay was mandatory, it's usually just much faster and more convenient.

At many smaller venues, a credit card (or tap-to-pay) is required, and I'm 100% in favor of that. We should be doing more to help provide unbanked people with credit cards. Requiring small businesses to deal with cash is increasingly a burden; cashless enables them to save a lot of time and money.

Re:No app, no entry: How the digital world is failing the no... by sneak on Thursday August 24, 2023 @02:37PM (#37252866)
This is the wrong approach, because the laws around payment cards require they be strongly linked to ID, allowing point and click shutdown/freezing of anyone's ability to transact.

When you can't pay a lawyer, and you can't pay a taxi to get to your lawyer, and you can't buy food, and it's all because the government pointed a finger without evidence, prior to trial, the system is a bad one.

The ability to use cash must be preserved. You really don't want to live in the world where the only payments are the ones the government explicitly allows.

Re:No app, no entry: How the digital world is failing the no... by gspencley on Thursday August 24, 2023 @11:20AM (#37249864)
This. Apart from not wanting to be tethered to my phone 24/7, I don't like that it is a single point of failure. It has replaced our wallets and then some. The most terrifying prospect to me is governments that want to switch to digital IDs. No thanks. I don't need to lose access to existence just because my battery died or I forgot my phone at home.
Re:No app, no entry: How the digital world is failing the no... by scarface_74 on Thursday August 24, 2023 @11:28AM (#37249961)
> I don't like that it is a single point of failure. It has replaced our wallets and then some

I also have a cellular Apple Watch that also has a copy of my digital wallet....

Re:No app, no entry: How the digital world is failing the no... by master-lincoln on Thursday August 24, 2023 @11:57AM (#37250422)
cool story bro. You must be wealthy
Re:No app, no entry: How the digital world is failing the no... by kibwen on Thursday August 24, 2023 @11:59AM (#37250449)
And once these devices become required for participation in society, is the government going to issue free phones and watches to everyone who can't afford them, or are they going to become yet another burden suffered disproportionately by the poor, just like car ownership?
Re:No app, no entry: How the digital world is failing the no... by scarface_74 on Thursday August 24, 2023 @12:09PM (#37250588)
> is the government going to issue free phones and watches to everyone who can't afford them

Yes

https://www.dmas.virginia.gov/media/1252/lifeline-telephone-...

And 94% of the homeless have cell phones. I would assume that the penetration of cell phones among the poor and not homeless would be higher.

https://priceschool.usc.edu/news/homeless-los-angeles-cell-p....

Re:No app, no entry: How the digital world is failing the no... by LargoLasskhyfv on Friday August 25, 2023 @05:35AM (#37259762)
Aren't these preloaded with crap/scamware by shady providers?
Re:No app, no entry: How the digital world is failing the no... by sofixa on Thursday August 24, 2023 @11:28AM (#37249968)
No turn it around, you lose the piece of paper saying you have a yearly pass, do you forfeit your right to enter these places?
Re:No app, no entry: How the digital world is failing the no... by Mordisquitos on Thursday August 24, 2023 @11:57AM (#37250404)
Maybe, yes. Lose that piece of paper and you forfeit your right to enter that concert...

...but lose that piece of paper and you haven't also forfeited your right to access your hotel room, to catch the plane back home, to pay for your parking space where you left your car, to take public transport, to enter your gym...

Re:No app, no entry: How the digital world is failing the no... by Karunamon on Thursday August 24, 2023 @11:39AM (#37250136)
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Re:No app, no entry: How the digital world is failing the no... by kibwen on Thursday August 24, 2023 @12:03PM (#37250501)
In the future, how does one pay to replace a lost device at the store after losing the device that is the exclusive holder of all your payment details, as well as the exclusive holder of all the credentials to all your accounts?