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Re:No app, no entry: How the digital world is failing the no... by ryandrake on Thursday August 24, 2023 @11:05AM (#37249670)
I usually hate the cliche "vote with your wallet" solution, but in this case, it's the right way. Now is the time, while this garbage is still trying to get a foothold and there are still many alternatives that do not treat their customers like shit. Loudly refuse to do business with those companies that require unnecessary technology, and complain to the right people. Not the faces behind the counter making minimum wage.

I don't want to victim blame, but the elderly couple in the article should know better. Isn't Ryanair notorious for their shittiness to customers? We should stop dealing with shitty companies just to save $10.

Re:No app, no entry: How the digital world is failing the no... by arp242 on Thursday August 24, 2023 @11:38AM (#37250116)
> I don't want to victim blame, but the elderly couple in the article should know better. Isn't Ryanair notorious for their shittiness to customers? We should stop dealing with shitty companies just to save $10.

In defence of RyanAir, they are upfront end honest about this and you know what you're getting with them. Whether you think it's a good deal is a subjective matter you can decide for yourself, but I do think it's a fair deal.

That said, I would have used my discretion as a RyanAir employee here: the heavy fee is to encourage people to not "lazy out", which is clearly not what happened here.

Re:No app, no entry: How the digital world is failing the no... by SoftTalker on Thursday August 24, 2023 @11:36AM (#37250083)
Yes, and demand alternatives. I went to an urgent care clinic last year, they wanted me to provide all my info on an app using my phone. I refused, said give me a clipboard. They were reluctant but eventually agreed.

Restaurants, just screw them if they demand apps. No restaurant is that good, and across the board the apps make the ordering experience much worse.

I can call Dominos and say "I'd like a large pepperoni pizza for carryout," give them my name, and be done before the app finishes loading and showing all its promo/coupon deals.

So yes, do business with companies that still have some vague notion of what customer service is. I have stopped expecting businesses to exceed my expectations (used to be the norm for most) but it's nice when it happens and they will definitely get my business again.

Re:No app, no entry: How the digital world is failing the no... by ben_w on Thursday August 24, 2023 @11:36AM (#37250089)
Ryanair is sufficiently bad that, as it's the only airline flying from where I live to where most of my friends live in the UK, I am likely to use the train next time.

Last time I used them, mass-cancellations from 1cm of snow combined with the next alternative flights being a week later, meant that I had to get home via a combination of ferry and train.

From Stansted to Berlin.

(I'm glad work was understanding).

Re:No app, no entry: How the digital world is failing the no... by gabereiser on Thursday August 24, 2023 @11:12AM (#37249754)
The issue is we want restaurants and museums. If we vote with our wallet and boycott than they will look at it as a disinterest in the venue and not a failure of their IT team.
Re:No app, no entry: How the digital world is failing the no... by SoftTalker on Thursday August 24, 2023 @11:40AM (#37250144)
You need to tell them why. "I'm not visiting your museum because you demand the use of an app. I want to pay cash for admission at the door"

If you happen to be disabled, and cannot use a mobile app (most do a woeful job with accessibility and even if they don't, some people just cannot use the devices), threaten an ADA lawsuit.

Re:No app, no entry: How the digital world is failing the no... by gabereiser on Thursday August 24, 2023 @11:50AM (#37250305)
This is the right way, only I would reword it to “I want to visit your museum but I’m unable to use the app due to disability, would you mind taking cash or debit?”.

Try not to start conversations in the negative. You’ll get a lot farther.

Re:No app, no entry: How the digital world is failing the no... by throwawaysleep on Thursday August 24, 2023 @11:17AM (#37249816)
It is only shitty for people who haven't learned how to use email. Saving $10 in exchange for using email is a great deal for most.
Re:No app, no entry: How the digital world is failing the no... by freetanga on Thursday August 24, 2023 @11:21AM (#37249869)
I think in this case the poor option is using Ryanair at all.
Re:No app, no entry: How the digital world is failing the no... by namaria on Sunday August 27, 2023 @05:08AM (#37280832)
That's kinda the problem with the current consumer capitalism destruction of life support systems. Everyone has principles, until they look at the price tags and just chose the cheapest option. And it's perverse because for most people budgeting is a matter of survival.

So we're stuck in this death spiral where only companies that find ways to exploit us and the ecosystems survive, and even tho we know this, we can only patronize companies that exploit us and the ecosystems because the ones that don't are a luxury/lifestyle signaling tool for the affluent.

I don't see any way out. The current civilization paradigm will crash and burn and only then something different will emerge.