Re:American Satirist C.J. Hopkins Sentenced in German Speech...
by zauguin on Thursday August 24, 2023 @12:32AM
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There's no need to appeal yet. With "punishment order" they probably refer to a german "Strafbefehl" which isn't a full sentence but a simplified system to avoid trials which only requires a bit more than probable cause.
They can now object to it, then there will be a full trial. If they loose there, then they can appeal.
Re:American Satirist C.J. Hopkins Sentenced in German Speech...
by kova12 on Thursday August 24, 2023 @01:24AM
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May I point out a slippery slope is that sort of argumentation? American people have some basic rights protected by constitution. If these can be circumvented by shipping their trials to another country, then what's the point?
Re:American Satirist C.J. Hopkins Sentenced in German Speech...
by pseudo0 on Thursday August 24, 2023 @01:45AM
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He lives in Germany as a permanent resident. So he can either appeal, pay the fine, or move back to the US (plane tickets alone would cost more than the fine, let alone the cost and disruption of moving a family).
If he lived in the US, he could likely just ignore the ruling. This would clearly be 1A protected speech in the US, so even if Germany pursued it, they would be politely told to screw off. It would probably be a bad idea to return to Germany though.
Re:American Satirist C.J. Hopkins Sentenced in German Speech...
by wrp on Thursday August 24, 2023 @01:27AM
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Summary: The German court accused him of "disseminating propaganda, the contents of which are intended to further the aims of a former National Socialist organization."
The point of TFA and his defense is that he was "using the negative connotations of Nazism to criticize a currently serving government official."
They can now object to it, then there will be a full trial. If they loose there, then they can appeal.
If he lived in the US, he could likely just ignore the ruling. This would clearly be 1A protected speech in the US, so even if Germany pursued it, they would be politely told to screw off. It would probably be a bad idea to return to Germany though.
The point of TFA and his defense is that he was "using the negative connotations of Nazism to criticize a currently serving government official."