Should a company not ask you that? Why are you hung up on flunking martian geology?
I don't understand
That is totally bizarre.
The reason I give is that I had some family issues that required me take a break. During that time I started working in tech, and after a few years I never saw the need to go back. The real reason was the grades, which was caused by an undiagnosed neural-divergent issue.
But this was different. It was an hour and half of going course by course down the list, and asking exactly why I got that specific grade for that specific class if it was less than an A (including a few that were A-). I didn't flunk Martial Geology, but still was asked to explain that grade. Do you remember what grade you got in a freshman physics class 20 years ago, much less why it was that grade and not higher?
In the end I'm glad that I got an offer, glad it was higher than I was making, and glad I rejected it. It was proof to myself that I have morals that can't be bought. Not for that price at least.
just as frustrating as wanting code samples. none of my work of the past decade is public, and it's not mine to share. all i can show is ancient stuff
At some point, really deep down the rabbit hole, I remember saying, "I don't actually recall, it WAS over 15 years ago"
It is okay to bring up something like flunking out of school 20 years ago but why drill someone on it?
Your resume is a showcase of your best accomplishments. Short of clearance-level interviews with your family and friends, people in C-level positions ask for transcripts from 20 years ago because it's the only intelligence concerning your failures they can get their hands on (your previous employers won't ever attest on-record that you sucked).
So with that in hand, think about how you're going to feel when the only things they want to talk about are topics you were struggling to understand while your brain was still underdeveloped. He's big-dicking you to ensure your submission in any ongoing business relationship, and probably lowball you on salary just because he likes taking things from people after humiliating them.
Asking about failures in past jobs is fair game-- you are free to disclose that much at your discretion. Asking for a transcript itself isn't even that weird either, just to verify you went to the school you said you did. But grilling you about failures from 20 years ago is someone engaging in emotional abuse; they're desperate to have something to hold over you.
This firm clearly put a huge amount of stock in education. They were 4 blocks from a major CS university, and a significant number of staff were recent grads. I suspect the CEO had a masters which only adds credence to their belief in the education system.
On top of that, they knew how much I was making ($x), how much I was asking for ($x + $50,000), and ended up offering me more ($x + $150,000). That's not the kind of thing you do when you're trying to dissuade someone from taking a job with you. Especially when the offer is 100% cash (company was private and they offered no equity).
I strongly suspect that this person came from a bubble of education, and just didn't understand how you could be a poor student and then successful outside of academia.
My dad was overly sensitive about not having a degree too, I wonder if its a generational thing
From what I can tell, this nonstandard question would have no bearing on the work experience and never come up again, but you are acting like it would
Now, I flunked out of college, but I spent 7 years on Wall St., and 12 years with MAGMA firms. College was over 20 years ago. I made this clear up front and the recruiter told me it wasn't a problem.
The call with the CEO was two hours of "why did you get a C in Martian and Lunar Geology?" and "Why did you get an F in Intro to Viticulture and Enology?" After that I get the offer (it was all cash and about $150k more than my current role even with equity factored in). I refused and told the recruiter that it was because I was drug through the coals like that. The recruiter's response was "yeah, I know, we keep asking him not to do that."
They called every couple years asking me to reconsider. Always a new recruiter. And every time I told them exactly why I refused and asked if that policy had changed. Every time I was told it hadn't and the call ended.