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Re:Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron by Waterluvian on Monday August 21, 2023 @08:56AM (#37208909)
Ugh. I’m OS homeless.

Windows is full of garbage. MacOS jumped the shark on UI and is irritating in so many ways as it tries to be some Frankenstein’s monster of a desktop and mobile-inspired UI. And Linux is incapable of watching videos in a browser without destroying my CPU (Nvidia lacks hardware video decoding on Linux) and continues with all the classic “engineers don’t do UX” problems.

Not one option feels “good” to me. There’s just levels of tolerable.

Re:Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron by dawidpotocki on Monday August 21, 2023 @09:11AM (#37209087)
> Nvidia lacks hardware video decoding on Linux

That's… not true. Fact, they don't support VA-API, but there is support for some other methods like NVDEC.

Programs like mpv can use it directly while for something like Firefox you can use a wrapper like nvidia-vaapi-driver[1].

It's not ideal, but that's what you get from buying their stuff.

[1] https://github.com/elFarto/nvidia-vaapi-driver

Re:Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron by Waterluvian on Monday August 21, 2023 @09:25AM (#37209284)
So 1. I'm using the wrong hardware. It's my fault. 2. I'm using the wrong browser. 3. I should be working out the dependency story and compiling some driver from Github myself.

It's 2023. For me that means my OS cannot hardware decode video. It's just not a real option for maybe 99% of PC users.

Re:Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron by worble on Monday August 21, 2023 @10:57AM (#37210412)
I don't know what you expect Linux to do about this, it's an entirely an Nvidia issue.
Re:Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron by mikedelago on Monday August 21, 2023 @11:04AM (#37210518)
I don't think it's your fault and I don't think you're using the wrong browser.

> I should be working out the dependency story and compiling some driver from Github myself.

no, nvidia _should_ make it easier for people using the 3rd most popular desktop OS to use their hardware. It would make them more competitive against AMD and Intel, which both support hardware video decoding.

That's probably not going to happen, so the next best option is to install a package from the package manager [0]. There might be some kind of compilation needed, but in my experience that's rarely an issue (aside from time), especially if it's coming out of the package manager for a popular distribution.

> It's just not a real option for maybe 99% of PC users.

well, 99% of PC users with Nvidia hardware. It's an important distinction since this problem is specific to Nvidia. If the solution is to installing a package from the package manager, it's only as difficult as installing the browser in the first place.

I do agree there's some extra questions that may make things difficult, or unfamiliar for the vast majority of people, though. Like how is someone supposed to know they need the nvidia-vaapi-driver package anyway?

[0] - https://github.com/elFarto/nvidia-vaapi-driver#package-manag...

Re:Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron by trulyrandom on Monday August 21, 2023 @12:14PM (#37211597)
I share your frustration about the Nvidia situation. However, if you want to run a certain operating system and have a good experience, you need to buy hardware that's well-supported on that operating system. It's as simple as that. This is a little like buying an M1 Mac and complaining that Linux doesn't run well on it.
Re:Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron by rollcat on Monday August 21, 2023 @09:18AM (#37209183)
I feel exactly like that on bad days. On good days though, I'm happy using a heterogenous environment. I can use a Mac to play games or watch movies; Linux to productively write backend code rather than waste time fighting Docker-in-VM; or OpenBSD to feel a brief, soothing wave of sanity.

I think there is still hope for Windows as well. It's basically like the Star Trek movies: every bad release seems to be followed by a slightly better one.

The only thing I can't quite make peace with is using #ffffff for window decorations. Whatever you're smoking Apple, it's time to quit it.

Re:Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron by marklar423 on Monday August 21, 2023 @04:52PM (#37215188)
The "every other Windows release" rule is very real, basically since Win95
Re:Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron by jh721 on Monday August 21, 2023 @09:12AM (#37209093)
Just in case this might be useful: https://github.com/elFarto/nvidia-vaapi-driver works with Firefox.
Re:Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron by Waterluvian on Monday August 21, 2023 @09:20AM (#37209228)
I've tried this specific driver every which way and it just will not work for me. At hour two I had a moment of, "am I actually hand holding an OS through learning how to watch a video that my phone can do effortlessly 10 years ago?"

Oh I remember now, it was missing a whole bunch of dependencies on Jammy, so it was taking me down a dark path of figuring out the compilation story for a bunch of stuff.

I'm not interested in babysitting my OS. I have real work I want to do with my limited time. It's a very frustrating UX... insofar as there basically is no UX.

Re:Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron by unpopularopp on Monday August 21, 2023 @09:17AM (#37209178)
Same. Wanted to undervolt my RTX 4080, and it seems impossible under Linux. These small things are very missing from Linux.
Re:Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron by NotSteve on Monday August 21, 2023 @09:02AM (#37208982)
What do you mean about the MacOS UI? It sounds like you're talking about Stage Manager (which I love but understand not liking) but it should be disabled by default.
Re:Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron by pseudalopex on Monday August 21, 2023 @09:39AM (#37209458)
Mobile inspired UI includes Catalyst apps, System Settings, Control Center, narrow dialogs with centered text and buttons, all icons the same shape, title bars gone.
Re:Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron by rollcat on Monday August 21, 2023 @09:27AM (#37209319)
Big Sur's redesign is an unusable mess. Window borders are pure white. Contrast is non-existent, especially on buttons (both light and dark modes). Too much transparency, it's not just distracting - the menu bar is often unusable (depending on your wallpaper). Many builtin apps exercise too much freedom in customising the look&feel, everything is inconsistent. I understand this was done to bring the design language closer to iOS, or to make iOS apps feel more at home on the Mac. They are not - every time you run an iOS app, it really feels out of place.

Some of this can be remedied with accessibility settings. Most things will likely stay broken until someone at Apple calls for yet another pointless redesign that will break something else in return.

Re:Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron by thiht on Monday August 21, 2023 @12:47PM (#37212113)
> Big Sur's redesign is an unusable mess

That’s a hot take. Big Sur’s redesign is perfectly fine.

The only redesign I hate is Settings (especially since it disallows full screen, WHY?), but the rest is fine, and arguably less « in your face »

Re:Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron by johnnyanmac on Monday August 21, 2023 @10:25AM (#37209979)
>Not one option feels “good” to me. There’s just levels of tolerable.

isn't that just life in general? You compromise with family, with where you work, with how much you pay for stuff at the store, even with your own mind. Nothing is ever ideal.

Re:Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron by pseudalopex on Monday August 21, 2023 @07:18PM (#37216624)
Many people feel those things are better than tolerable. And older macOS felt good to them seemingly.