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Re:Electricity Maps by ben_w on Sunday August 20, 2023 @12:12PM (#37200489)
Hydroelectric is generally counted as a renewable, and it's also a storage system.
Re:Electricity Maps by troupo on Sunday August 20, 2023 @01:05PM (#37200978)
That's true. Unfortunately it's not feasible to build hydroelectric everywhere.
Re:Electricity Maps by ben_w on Sunday August 20, 2023 @02:10PM (#37201573)
Indeed, but we don't need it everywhere — between transmission lines and that most of the good sites in Germany are pretty close to the major industry and population centres (except Berlin and Brandenburg, which is basically marsh and nature reserves, leading back to the transmission lines).
Re:Electricity Maps by troupo on Monday August 21, 2023 @03:02AM (#37206263)
> Indeed, but we don't need it everywhere — between transmission lines and that most of the good sites in Germany are pretty close to the major industry and population centres

1. Not everywhere, but you need quite a lot of them. You significantly underestimate how much power modern civilisation consumes

2. You can't build a hydroelectric plant/storage in the marshes. You can't build it willy-nilly in any river you want, either. You can't just build it on any lake or in any mountains you like.

There's a high-level overview here: https://www.nsenergybusiness.com/features/energy-storage-ana...

Re:Electricity Maps by ben_w on Monday August 21, 2023 @10:21AM (#37209933)
I'm assuming 1kW/capita, or about 5 GW for Berlin.

I might be overestimating power lines or people's willingness to have transmission lines near them.

What's the ampacity of a typical high voltage line?

Re:Electricity Maps by troupo on Tuesday August 22, 2023 @08:10AM (#37221527)
> I might be overestimating power lines or people's willingness to have transmission lines near them.

The question isn't about power lines. The question you started with is "Hydroelectric is generally counted as a renewable, and it's also a storage system."

The problem is that yo uneed to build a lot of them, and you can't just build them abywhere you want.

> What's the ampacity of a typical high voltage line?

Zero. The storage capacity of a high voltage line is zero.

Re:Electricity Maps by ben_w on Tuesday August 22, 2023 @08:59AM (#37222077)
> The question isn't about power lines. The question you started with is "Hydroelectric is generally counted as a renewable, and it's also a storage system."

Needless pedantry as everyone uses transmission lines so that power creation and storage aren't in the same physical location as the end use.

If you've got a 5 GW line going from Berlin to, say, the Czech border (where there's currently already a 1 GW hydro plant, I make no claims about environmental capacity for more even though it seems plausible at first glance), then you've got hydro storage keeping the lights on in the city even though it's 215 km away because there's nowhere here to put any hydro storage.

That's why it matters what the amp-acity of a HV line is.