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Re:Landlords Are Pushing the Supreme Court to End Rent Control by themagician on Saturday August 19, 2023 @08:31PM (#37194790)
Remove planning rights from local/city government entirely. If the people in districts are allowed to vote on what happens in their own districts they will always vote in a way that represents their own best interests, which is often at odds with people who desire to live in those districts but can't afford to. The only way to end nimby rule is by force. You must use the government to essentially take land and repurpose it.

The reason we don't do this is a lack of political will. But that can change.

Re:Landlords Are Pushing the Supreme Court to End Rent Control by marcus0x62 on Saturday August 19, 2023 @08:41PM (#37194851)
> Remove planning rights from local/city government entirely

> You must use the government to essentially take land and repurpose it.

Which government? In your first sentence we removed land planning from the local government.

Re:Landlords Are Pushing the Supreme Court to End Rent Control by User23 on Saturday August 19, 2023 @08:52PM (#37194913)
I think he’s proposing urban dekulakization, so presumably the dispossession and redistribution would be enforced at the national level or at least by state level authorities.
Re:Landlords Are Pushing the Supreme Court to End Rent Control by marcus0x62 on Saturday August 19, 2023 @09:13PM (#37195029)
Gotta keep an eye on those totally-not-made-up-for-political-purposes kulaks. First, they'll want to keep all* of the grain they grow, next their homes. Such selfish people.

* - enough to eat, anyway.

Re:Landlords Are Pushing the Supreme Court to End Rent Control by tiahura on Saturday August 19, 2023 @08:37PM (#37194821)
So the government should serve the interests of those that aren’t residents to the detriment of those that do?
Re:Landlords Are Pushing the Supreme Court to End Rent Control by slymon99 on Saturday August 19, 2023 @08:41PM (#37194849)
Yes.
Re:Landlords Are Pushing the Supreme Court to End Rent Control by themagician on Saturday August 19, 2023 @08:44PM (#37194863)
Yes, if you want to address the issue. Whether you should is another question. That is what the higher levels of government do. When the majority of citizens need something, you essentially use threat of violence to take it by force. You will never fix the "nimby problem" any other way.
Re:Landlords Are Pushing the Supreme Court to End Rent Control by dffdsa432 on Saturday August 19, 2023 @09:18PM (#37195056)
Communist governments used the threat of violence to take by farmland by force. How did that turn out?
Re:Landlords Are Pushing the Supreme Court to End Rent Control by themagician on Sunday August 20, 2023 @08:20PM (#37204205)
Worked out well in areas like Hawaii and many of the US territories we took by force.
Re:Landlords Are Pushing the Supreme Court to End Rent Control by falcolas on Saturday August 19, 2023 @08:59PM (#37194954)
> When the majority of citizens need something, you essentially use threat of violence to take it by force.

Colonialism, applied on behalf of the majority. Only done to their own citizens this time, those citizens othered using terms like “nimby”.

It certainly rhymes with how we’ve done things in the past.

Re:Landlords Are Pushing the Supreme Court to End Rent Control by Retric on Saturday August 19, 2023 @08:53PM (#37194915)
Local governments have finite power given to them by state and federal government. So, the argument is more that state and federal government should actually exercise their authority to fix the underlying problem.

Abstractly hyper local optimization is suboptimal.

Re:Landlords Are Pushing the Supreme Court to End Rent Control by whatwhaaaaat on Saturday August 19, 2023 @08:57PM (#37194939)
Strong statement. Got any proof of that?

All governments get their power from the people who they serve. As soon as they do not serve the interests of the people the represent they should be dissolved. Local government gets its power from the local people and no one else.

Re:Landlords Are Pushing the Supreme Court to End Rent Control by Retric on Saturday August 19, 2023 @10:06PM (#37195343)
> Got any proof of that?

Most obviously their form and powers vary based on the state.

Several hundred years of court cases make there limits clear. Local governments regularly get overridden on all kinds of things.

Local governments are also completely dependent on outside help for all kinds of things. It’s common for them to even lack local police forces let alone a court system. Outliers like major cities seem extremely powerful, but for the most part they have similar powers to HOA’s.

PS: As to getting authority from the governed… Some let people outside the area vote, and a few that give corporations a say.

Re:Landlords Are Pushing the Supreme Court to End Rent Control by Turing_Machine on Sunday August 20, 2023 @01:26AM (#37196366)
> Local governments have finite power given to them by state and federal government.

I know it's out of fashion, but the Tenth Amendment appears to say otherwise.

Re:Landlords Are Pushing the Supreme Court to End Rent Control by none_to_remain on Sunday August 20, 2023 @01:34AM (#37196401)
The Tenth Amendment, for whatever it's worth, talks about federal and state governments. Local governments: city, town, village, county, etc., are creatures of their state and wholely subordinate.
Re:Landlords Are Pushing the Supreme Court to End Rent Control by Retric on Sunday August 20, 2023 @02:07AM (#37196596)
You may be misinterpreting how “nor” is used in the sentence.

The 10th makes it clear the constitution gives the federal government specific powers which means those specified powers aren’t available to the states or local governments.

The first draft is a little easier to understand: “Each state retains its sovereignty, freedom, and independence, and every power, jurisdiction, and right, which is not by this Confederation expressly delegated to the United States, in Congress assembled.” (Which is not) can be flipped to the front so -> “Those powers given to the United States are its alone, all other powers not specifically listed are retained by the States.”

Both versions makes it clear states are losing some power, but they are given a little spin to make it less obvious.

Re:Landlords Are Pushing the Supreme Court to End Rent Control by User23 on Saturday August 19, 2023 @08:44PM (#37194864)
California basically did this[1]. Sadly though the desirable coastal areas are literally full and all spoken for and even without any real zoning anymore there’s nowhere to actually build. So you’re gonna need to eminent domain some Malibu mansions to make room for the non stop line of 1+5s from LA to SF.

It’s also interesting to me how many people propose increasing supply when there is nowhere to build, but can’t even think about reducing demand, say by reducing the all time record in migration. But that’s literally crimethink.

Sure the USA has a ton of empty space. But guess what, that’s because most people don’t want to live in those places. And the places where people do want to live like waterfront cities are geographically full.

[1] https://www.latimes.com/homeless-housing/story/2021-09-17/wh...

Re:Landlords Are Pushing the Supreme Court to End Rent Control by AlotOfReading on Saturday August 19, 2023 @09:15PM (#37195040)
As someone who also lives in California, can you point out the parts of the state where there's nowhere left to build? It certainly isn't any of the places I've lived (Beverly hills, SF, East Bay), each of which has seen significant commercial redevelopment in my lifetime. None of them are dense by global standards either. SF only has 25% the population density of Paris, for example.
Re:Landlords Are Pushing the Supreme Court to End Rent Control by bombcar on Saturday August 19, 2023 @08:56PM (#37194930)
California can develop all the canyons that keep catching on fire.

Until it’s Kolowoon Walled City from Tijuana to Oregon it’s not enough!

Re:Landlords Are Pushing the Supreme Court to End Rent Control by pmoriarty on Sunday August 20, 2023 @02:59AM (#37196863)
Just build up. Zoning laws are what prevent that. Those need to be changed.
Re:Landlords Are Pushing the Supreme Court to End Rent Control by rufus_foreman on Saturday August 19, 2023 @08:59PM (#37194951)
I certainly hope we lack the political will to use force to stop people from voting in their best interests.
Re:Landlords Are Pushing the Supreme Court to End Rent Control by dffdsa432 on Saturday August 19, 2023 @09:12PM (#37195025)
- "Remove planning rights from local/city government entirely"

- "use the government to essentially take land and repurpose it"

These are third world tactics.

Re:Landlords Are Pushing the Supreme Court to End Rent Control by seanmcdirmid on Saturday August 19, 2023 @09:16PM (#37195046)
Ya, that’s basically how China does it.
Re:Landlords Are Pushing the Supreme Court to End Rent Control by seanmcdirmid on Saturday August 19, 2023 @09:15PM (#37195042)
Anyone who does this will get unelected in the next election, so that’s where the lack of will comes from. You have to sell these ideas to the people first somehow, the politicians aren’t going to commit political suicide to enact them, we are really problem.
Re:Landlords Are Pushing the Supreme Court to End Rent Control by frumper on Saturday August 19, 2023 @11:11PM (#37195725)
You seem to be advocating giving people that don’t live somewhere power over people that actually do live there. This feels quite backwards.