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Re:Radiation Spikes at Chernobyl: A Mystery Few Seem Interes... by shagie on Friday August 18, 2023 @08:18PM (#37183998)
Looking for some pre 2020 content about Russia and Chernobyl...

https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/nunn-lugar-russia-pr...

> Documents from the highest levels of the Soviet Union, including notes, protocols and diaries of Politburo sessions in the immediate aftermath of the Chernobyl nuclear disaster in 1986, detail a sequence of cover-up, revelation, shock, mobilization, individual bravery, and bureaucratic turf battles in the Soviet reaction, according to the “Top Secret Chernobyl” e-book published today by the National Security Archive.

> Key sources include protocols of the Politburo Operational Group on Chernobyl that were published in Russian by the journalist and former Supreme Soviet deputy Alla Yaroshinskaya in 1992. The posting today begins with Yaroshinskaya’s essay (written exclusively for this publication) reviewing the Chernobyl story and her own efforts dating back to 1986 to document and expose the lies and the secrecy that surrounded the disaster.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/culture/tv/a27787022/cherno...

> "The fact that an American, not a Russian, TV channel tells us about our own heroes is a source of shame that the pro-Kremlin media apparently cannot live down," Shepelin writes.

How the Soviet Union stayed silent during the Chernobyl disaster - https://wapo.st/3shRS4M

> Information inside Russia was sparse, too. Russian residents and even some officials were left unaware that the accident had occurred. In the news reports that trickled out, Soviet media stated that nuclear accidents like Chernobyl were "virtually impossible."

> ...

> The Soviet Union's refusal to release any information speaks to the mentality of the Kremlin. Perhaps the best explanation of trying to make sense of this mentality came from Ellen Goodman writing in 1988, shortly after the accident:

> Exactly a year ago, in Moscow, I had a conversation with a young journalist who acted as interpreter. After a session with three bureaucrats, which bored him as much me, we went to a local coffee shop and talked about journalism and censorship.

> Andre was among the elite of his Soviet generation. He was informed about America -- down to our frequent-flyer coupons -- and not reflexively defensive about the Soviet system. Yet, at one point, animatedly debating our countries' attitudes toward information, he reached for this analogy, "In the U.S.S.R. we do not tell a patient if he has cancer. Many times we treat people like they are children to be protected."

> And in many ways, those living in the Soviet Union at the time would have agreed.

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While I can't say for certain, the reporting suggests that there is a deliberate willingness to collectively forget about Chernobyl within Russia.

Re:Radiation Spikes at Chernobyl: A Mystery Few Seem Interes... by mepian on Friday August 18, 2023 @08:58PM (#37184279)
As someone born in Russia, I can assure you that since the 1980s everyone in Russia became well aware of Chernobyl. In my oblast there were furious protests against the construction of a nuclear power plant, and Chernobyl was likely their main cause. My parents told me some horror stories about the cleanup crew of Chernobyl when I was a kid.
Re:Radiation Spikes at Chernobyl: A Mystery Few Seem Interes... by tguvot on Friday August 18, 2023 @11:56PM (#37185340)
as somebody who born in russia you can't represent everybodies in russia knowledge. in case you don't watch them, go watch some of zolkin videos where he asks russian solders questions about history and ukraine. very enlightening
Re:Radiation Spikes at Chernobyl: A Mystery Few Seem Interes... by mepian on Saturday August 19, 2023 @12:58AM (#37185662)
Sure, you can always cherry-pick someone from a remote village so this can't be literally "everybody", but it's absurd to claim that the majority of the population doesn't know about Chernobyl. It was a very hot topic in Russia for a long time, and in the 90s the government lost control over the information space of the country so the information about Chernobyl was spreading freely. The younger generations can learn about the topic from either their parents, or from pop culture things like S.T.A.L.K.E.R. and even HBO's miniseries (freely available on Russian torrent trackers that are quite popular).
Re:Radiation Spikes at Chernobyl: A Mystery Few Seem Interes... by tguvot on Saturday August 19, 2023 @01:11AM (#37185727)
Sure, you can always cherry-pick someone from major city so this can't be literally "everybody", but it's absurd to claim that the majority of the population knows about Chernobyl.

For christ sakes, as you state, there is a whole new generation that was born after 2000 in russia. 90s are out and there is control of information> it doesn't matter that they can learn about this topic from internet or hbo or stalker (yes, sure, all gamers will assume that game is based on real events). if they are not taught about it, they won't know.

did you see new history books in russia btw that were published a couple of weeks ago ? do you see the new versions of history been on tv ? the laws about spreading "false information about ussr in wwII" ?

Re:Radiation Spikes at Chernobyl: A Mystery Few Seem Interes... by mepian on Saturday August 19, 2023 @01:26AM (#37185804)
Listen, I left Russia last year. I lived there my whole life, and I saw how the government was handling this topic with my own eyes. Putin likes to twist history to his whims, but the topic of Chernobyl specifically wasn't as affected by this as you seem to think. The worst thing I've seen is one conspiracy-loving TV channel pushing theories about the disaster getting caused by aliens or the Americans, but no one tried to pretend that the whole thing never happened. I know about all of these things too well, don't try to school me on this topic.
Re:Radiation Spikes at Chernobyl: A Mystery Few Seem Interes... by tguvot on Saturday August 19, 2023 @01:31AM (#37185820)
i never said that topic of Chernobyl was affected in media. and i never said that majority do not know about it. i said that a bunch of russian solders occupying Chernobyl had no idea where they are and that based on Zolkin interviews history is taught in russia not in optimal way (probably at least outside of major population centers, which are not exactly russia anyhow)
Re:Radiation Spikes at Chernobyl: A Mystery Few Seem Interes... by mepian on Saturday August 19, 2023 @05:40PM (#37193530)
Alright, I misunderstood you then, sorry.
Re:Radiation Spikes at Chernobyl: A Mystery Few Seem Interes... by throwaway290 on Saturday August 19, 2023 @02:44AM (#37186193)
> you can always cherry-pick someone from a remote village

Which hilariously enough is what they do when drafting and recruiting new soldiers...

Re:Radiation Spikes at Chernobyl: A Mystery Few Seem Interes... by rewmie on Saturday August 19, 2023 @07:49AM (#37187795)
> Sure, you can always cherry-pick someone from a remote village (...)

The bulk of Russia's invasion force is comprised by people from remote villages.

You're talking about people who risked their lives, and many died, to pillage washing machines and indoor toilets.

Do you really think the literacy level and access to information from the average Russian grunt on the floor accommodates this info? Many didn't even knew where in the world they were stationed.

Re:Radiation Spikes at Chernobyl: A Mystery Few Seem Interes... by mepian on Saturday August 19, 2023 @05:36PM (#37193492)
Fair enough, it’s just really mind-boggling to me that someone doesn’t know. I’m not a villager, but I’m not a blue-blooded Muscovite either. Perhaps my experience of Russia is still too elevated compared to that of an army’s grunt.