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Re:China’s property giant Evergrande files for bankruptcy pr... by acyou on Friday August 18, 2023 @01:29AM (#37171663)
There is a sort of balance where one market going down makes another go up. For example, real estate assets everywhere but China now look better in the long term.

Bank crashing = money printing = asset values go back up. Can't lose.

Re:China’s property giant Evergrande files for bankruptcy pr... by seydor on Friday August 18, 2023 @01:43AM (#37171724)
higher is not better
Re:China’s property giant Evergrande files for bankruptcy pr... by AnthonyMouse on Friday August 18, 2023 @01:52AM (#37171765)
> Bank crashing = money printing = asset values go back up. Can't lose.

If you buy real estate right before a housing crash, you immediately lose a lot of money vs. having just sold or not bought it, and even if the prices recover in the long term it can take years.

Meanwhile you can't refinance the loan at the new lower rates because you're underwater and no longer have the collateral for a loan that size.

Then there's the "risk" that people learned the lesson of the last housing crash and don't do the same thing, i.e. reinflate a housing bubble right after it pops. This wouldn't even have to be not lowering interest rates, it could just be lowering them but continuing the existing momentum behind relaxing zoning rules so the lower rates can fund new construction. Then the low rates save the rest of the economy but real estate prices stay reduced because the lower interest rates are offset by (and pay for) new construction.

You can definitely lose.

Re:China’s property giant Evergrande files for bankruptcy pr... by topper-123 on Friday August 18, 2023 @02:37AM (#37172040)
Yeah, if you buy a house when you have little equity, your equity can go up manyfolds from the purchase, but at the risk that if you time the purchase badly, you’re in a bad spot for many years.
Re:China’s property giant Evergrande files for bankruptcy pr... by Scoundreller on Friday August 18, 2023 @02:45AM (#37172101)
“Leverage goes both ways”
Re:China’s property giant Evergrande files for bankruptcy pr... by acyou on Friday August 18, 2023 @02:23AM (#37171958)
I should have been more clear - this is to indicate that "we" can't lose, meaning society as a whole. Individuals for sure can lose their shirts, but overall, this bank collapsing won't be an issue.

This bankruptcy happening and not causing a huge, devastating, world ending crash is a gigantic feature of the Chinese economy. Not a bug. It means asset values in China are deflating in a semi-controlled manner.

People love to complain about the banks that are "too big to fail". Now this huge company that should really be too big to fail is failing, and the world isn't ending. The only people who are upset that everything isn't tumbling down, are the ones hoping for the crash.

Re:China’s property giant Evergrande files for bankruptcy pr... by ilikerashers on Friday August 18, 2023 @02:45AM (#37172099)
Expectation is that across the world, sustained med-high interest rates will cause deflating of multiple bubbles, Private Equity, zombie multinationals, residential+commercial RE.

It doesn't feel like a "black swan" but some of these approaches to making money could be going away. Dropping interest rates and printing money requires a set of circumstances which aren't there.

Deflating those bubbles will destroy a lot of individual wealth, that is where it's going to get bumpy.

Re:China’s property giant Evergrande files for bankruptcy pr... by FpUser on Friday August 18, 2023 @01:57AM (#37171797)
>"real estate assets everywhere but China now look better in the long term."

They do not look better. They look inflated and unaffordable. If not fixed this will have social consequences at some point and it won't be pretty.

Re:China’s property giant Evergrande files for bankruptcy pr... by bufferoverflow on Friday August 18, 2023 @02:48AM (#37172117)
Housing can't be inflated and unaffordable at the same time. Someone is buying properties, driving prices higher. Those someone can definitely afford housing.
Re:China’s property giant Evergrande files for bankruptcy pr... by matkoniecz on Friday August 18, 2023 @03:05AM (#37172229)
> Those someone can definitely afford housing.

By "unaffordable" people mean that median person/poor person has problem with paying for housing. Not that no one at all can afford it.

Re:China’s property giant Evergrande files for bankruptcy pr... by bufferoverflow on Friday August 18, 2023 @03:51AM (#37172522)
65.8% of Americans own a home as of 2022. Which covers the median person and some below that.
Re:China’s property giant Evergrande files for bankruptcy pr... by FpUser on Friday August 18, 2023 @02:51AM (#37172139)
They also can handle $100,000,000 boats. I am so happy for those poor souls
Re:China’s property giant Evergrande files for bankruptcy pr... by Cipater on Friday August 18, 2023 @08:20AM (#37174646)
The word "affordable" means "not expensive".
Re:China’s property giant Evergrande files for bankruptcy pr... by pseudosavant on Friday August 18, 2023 @11:42PM (#37185280)
Inflated by investors buying to turn them into rentals that are unaffordable.