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Re:Brand-new Linux release, which I'm calling the Debian Lin... by neilv on Wednesday August 16, 2023 @11:31AM (#37148642)
Of course, for anyone who wants up-to-the-minute Unstable/Testing channel, Debian still has that as an option, but I'm with you on Debian Stable.

When Debian's APT network package manager happened, that was pretty new and unusual. Imagine hearing about a package, typing a shell command, and Debian probably had the package, and it was installing. (When I was using Red Hat before Debian, there was a set of Web sites that I'd have to use to find packages, in a way that now seems naive and reckless: "https://www.neilvandyke.org/lab-linux-1999/#software".)

The package ecosystem is more mature now, and it turns out that Debian Stable almost always has what I need, so I still get the APT experience. (I even got the closed Nvidia CUDA stack from Debian Stable `non-free` repos, the other day, and it just worked. Maybe a little too easily and well, but that's another matter.)

Re:Brand-new Linux release, which I'm calling the Debian Lin... by TacticalCoder on Wednesday August 16, 2023 @04:07PM (#37152972)
> The package ecosystem is more mature now, and it turns out that Debian Stable almost always has what I need

At times it's missing something I want but usually Debian stable is all I need. I don't use unstable or backports: typically I either use Debian stable or I compile from source (like Emacs).

Last little hiccup recently is the lack of support for JPEG XL in the latest ImageMagick shipped with Debian stable (if I'm not mistaken), so I'd need to compile it from source (haven't done it yet but it's on my todo list: I want to recompile "losslessly" all my JPG to JPEG XL).

Re:Brand-new Linux release, which I'm calling the Debian Lin... by antod on Wednesday August 16, 2023 @05:29PM (#37154125)
> When Debian's APT network package manager happened, that was pretty new and unusual. Imagine hearing about a package, typing a shell command, and Debian probably had the package, and it was installing.

I think a lot of people you came to Linux later don't fully realise how revolutionary apt was back then.

I can still remember the pain of manually downloading rpms only to find it needed another one installed first or wasn't version compatible with something else etc.

Re:Brand-new Linux release, which I'm calling the Debian Lin... by ilyt on Wednesday August 16, 2023 @07:09PM (#37155090)
WINDOWS STILL CAN'T DO THAT
Re:Brand-new Linux release, which I'm calling the Debian Lin... by doubled112 on Wednesday August 16, 2023 @08:14PM (#37155586)
Winget with a huge "sort of ish".

They tried, I guess.

Re:Brand-new Linux release, which I'm calling the Debian Lin... by lproven on Thursday August 17, 2023 @09:55AM (#37161626)
Not very hard.

I recently had to reinstall Win11. I don't use it, but I needed to keep it around.

Windows Update does not update packages from the Windows Store, or vice versa.

Aside from the dozens of external driver packages you need, and even using Ninite to get a basic set of working apps, you still need 2 totally separate tools to update Windows.

It says a lot about how bad Linux on the desktop still is today that some poor misled fools still think that Win11 plus WSL2 is a better Linux than Linux.

Re:Brand-new Linux release, which I'm calling the Debian Lin... by badsectoracula on Thursday August 17, 2023 @11:21AM (#37163079)
I've been on Windows 10 (because i use Linux as my main OS in recent years and only boot Windows once every few months), so i don't know the latest details.

Can Windows install the Visual C++ runtimes yet?

Re:Brand-new Linux release, which I'm calling the Debian Lin... by throw0101b on Thursday August 17, 2023 @11:46AM (#37163466)
Re:Brand-new Linux release, which I'm calling the Debian Lin... by doubled112 on Thursday August 17, 2023 @11:49AM (#37163530)
Chocolatey is great but has its own pile of quirks.
Re:Brand-new Linux release, which I'm calling the Debian Lin... by lenkite on Friday August 18, 2023 @01:17PM (#37178889)
Re:Brand-new Linux release, which I'm calling the Debian Lin... by LanternLight83 on Wednesday August 16, 2023 @06:17PM (#37154629)
This explains what freshmeat was; I hit it via google looking for an old scheme library, but the link's long dead.
Re:Brand-new Linux release, which I'm calling the Debian Lin... by angled on Thursday August 17, 2023 @12:16AM (#37157142)
nwv!

To this day, I still don’t quite get why so much of #linux was still using Red Hat at the time. Nat, miguel, the GNOME guys; the kernel guys; the storage guys.

Re:Brand-new Linux release, which I'm calling the Debian Lin... by darkwater on Thursday August 17, 2023 @08:29AM (#37160555)
> When I was using Red Hat before Debian, there was a set of Web sites that I'd have to use to find packages,

Oh I remember rpmfind.net (which still exists!)