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Re:Feral desert donkeys are digging wells, giving water to p... by lowbloodsugar on Friday August 11, 2023 @12:14PM (#37090384)
Humans then?
Re:Feral desert donkeys are digging wells, giving water to p... by stickfigure on Friday August 11, 2023 @12:31PM (#37090592)
Sure? I mean, we obviously don't want to eliminate humans, but it would probably be nice to have fewer of them. The ZPG movement isn't terribly controversial.
Re:Feral desert donkeys are digging wells, giving water to p... by ornornor on Friday August 11, 2023 @12:29PM (#37090569)
Well no, we’re special and the universe exists for our pleasure.
Re:Feral desert donkeys are digging wells, giving water to p... by civilitty on Friday August 11, 2023 @02:35PM (#37092192)
It rubs the lotion on its skin or else it gets the big bang again.
Re:Feral desert donkeys are digging wells, giving water to p... by s1artibartfast on Friday August 11, 2023 @09:31PM (#37096043)
Why not? The universe is a blank canvas upon which we can write our own purpose. Human pleasure seems like as good of a start as any.
Re:Feral desert donkeys are digging wells, giving water to p... by ornornor on Saturday August 12, 2023 @12:23AM (#37097038)
Because we tend to do this at the expense of every other living thing. It’s also very presumptuous.
Re:Feral desert donkeys are digging wells, giving water to p... by s1artibartfast on Saturday August 12, 2023 @09:25AM (#37099931)
I think the most effective motivation to keep nature and life has historically been to maintain it for human pleasure

Similarly I don't think there is anything to offend with presumption, or at least anything that cares.

Re:Feral desert donkeys are digging wells, giving water to p... by 20after4 on Sunday August 13, 2023 @04:29PM (#37114113)
All the other species that aren't humans probably care.
Re:Feral desert donkeys are digging wells, giving water to p... by JamesDeansSon on Friday August 11, 2023 @12:21PM (#37090477)
The system exists to create Humans and see us flourish. God acts through us. This is evident to Zen masters as much as it is to Buddhist monks to Catholic priests and everything in between. Everyone has agreed on this except for Satanists. The self hatred you have is ironically somewhat justifying your argument, that there are at least a subset of humanity which is a stain of shit on the earth.
Re:Feral desert donkeys are digging wells, giving water to p... by eulgro on Friday August 11, 2023 @12:31PM (#37090600)
How exactly does the system makes humans more worthy than other animals?
Re:Feral desert donkeys are digging wells, giving water to p... by adversaryIdiot on Friday August 11, 2023 @01:07PM (#37091046)
It doesnt. He hasnt controlled his human ego
Re:Feral desert donkeys are digging wells, giving water to p... by JamesDeansSon on Friday August 11, 2023 @07:46PM (#37095396)
The system placed us at the top
Re:Feral desert donkeys are digging wells, giving water to p... by eulgro on Friday August 11, 2023 @10:12PM (#37096290)
Except we created the system, we placed ourselves there...
Re:Feral desert donkeys are digging wells, giving water to p... by callalex on Friday August 11, 2023 @01:03PM (#37090985)
>Everyone has agreed on this except for Satanists

You have a dangerous lack of fundamental understanding of the topic to which you speak. I suggest you start your learning journey here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism

Re:Feral desert donkeys are digging wells, giving water to p... by JamesDeansSon on Friday August 11, 2023 @07:41PM (#37095354)
Atheism is incompatible with determinism. The world follows mathematical laws.
Re:Feral desert donkeys are digging wells, giving water to p... by dragonwriter on Friday August 11, 2023 @07:43PM (#37095377)
> Atheism is incompatible with determinism.

No, its not.

Re:Feral desert donkeys are digging wells, giving water to p... by JamesDeansSon on Friday August 11, 2023 @07:51PM (#37095432)
Argument by dismissal and hand waving at your opponent is generally how you left wing people debate.
Re:Feral desert donkeys are digging wells, giving water to p... by dragonwriter on Friday August 11, 2023 @07:55PM (#37095459)
No, its not. See, e.g., most of my post history.

Sometimes, OTOH, completely moronic ideas are offered without any support, and without it, contradiction is all they warrant.

Re:Feral desert donkeys are digging wells, giving water to p... by JamesDeansSon on Friday August 11, 2023 @09:11PM (#37095926)
I won't debate any further with someone who resorts to name-calling or dismissive language. You didn't provide a proof of contradiction or any argument. I provided valid reasons and evidence to support my point of view.
Re:Feral desert donkeys are digging wells, giving water to p... by dragonwriter on Friday August 11, 2023 @11:23PM (#37096704)
> I won't debate any further

You weren't debating before, just posting unsupported conclusions with no argument in support, and complaining about responses in kind.

Re:Feral desert donkeys are digging wells, giving water to p... by maxbond on Friday August 11, 2023 @11:49PM (#37096853)
You're right, but you are being pretty harsh and insulting, and it does distract from your point and make it just about impossible for the other commenter to hear what you're saying.
Re:Feral desert donkeys are digging wells, giving water to p... by callalex on Friday August 11, 2023 @07:47PM (#37095403)
Why do they have to be designed?
Re:Feral desert donkeys are digging wells, giving water to p... by JamesDeansSon on Friday August 11, 2023 @09:36PM (#37096088)
Complexity implies a creator if you can't cite the theory of evolution. You are trying to say "nothing" designed them and they lack any intelligent design. GA have intricate, complex rules and codes. There is and has only been one version of the algorithm.
Re:Feral desert donkeys are digging wells, giving water to p... by s1artibartfast on Friday August 11, 2023 @09:23PM (#37095996)
I find the atheist to be the largest proponents of determinism. Most religions Embrace some idea of a soul, free will, and agency.

On the other hand, almost every atheist I know believes in some form of material determinism. For them, individual Behavior is entirely driven by the physical makeup of an individual and their interacting environment. They deposited if you had a sufficiently accurate model of the universe you would be able to determine every action they would make.

Re:Feral desert donkeys are digging wells, giving water to p... by mecsred on Friday August 11, 2023 @01:18PM (#37091202)
We're working on it!
Re:Feral desert donkeys are digging wells, giving water to p... by myshpa on Friday August 11, 2023 @01:21PM (#37091234)
Not humans, but farming practices and human diets. We have to reform agriculture to stop and reverse biodiversity loss.

Deforestation and farming practices (incl. pesticides/herbicides, pollution) are the main drivers of biodiversity loss.

https://www.unep.org/news-and-stories/press-release/our-glob...

Our global food system is the primary driver of biodiversity loss

Biodiversity conservation: The key is reducing meat consumption

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26231772/

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/22287498/meat-wildlife-bi...

The way we eat could lead to habitat loss for 17,000 species by 2050

Two recent studies underscore the danger the meat production system poses for biodiversity.

Re:Feral desert donkeys are digging wells, giving water to p... by pif on Friday August 11, 2023 @02:15PM (#37091950)
> We have to reform agriculture to stop and reverse biodiversity loss.

Sure! Do you have a proposal to make agriculture more eco-friendly without impacting quantity, quality and cost of the food produced?

> The key is reducing meat consumption

No! If you really want to achieve something, rather than just talking ecology, the key is not to try and force change on the general population.

Re:Feral desert donkeys are digging wells, giving water to p... by myshpa on Friday August 11, 2023 @02:37PM (#37092226)
> Do you have a proposal to make agriculture more eco-friendly without impacting quantity, quality and cost of the food produced?

Sure.

https://ourworldindata.org/land-use-diets

If the world adopted a plant-based diet we would reduce global agricultural land use from 4 to 1 billion hectares

https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/917471

Feeding 10 billion people by 2050 within planetary limits may be achievable

A global shift towards healthy and more plant-based diets, halving food loss and waste, and improving farming practices and technologies are required to feed 10 billion people sustainably by 2050, a new study finds.

https://www.mdpi.com/2071-1050/14/21/14449

How Compatible Are Western European Dietary Patterns to Climate Targets? Accounting for Uncertainty of Life Cycle Assessments by Applying a Probabilistic Approach

https://www.mdpi.com/2071-1050/11/15/4110/htm

Which Diet Has the Least Environmental Impact on Our Planet? A Systematic Review of Vegan, Vegetarian and Omnivorous Diets

https://www.nature.com/articles/s43016-023-00795-w

Vegans, vegetarians, fish-eaters and meat-eaters in the UK show discrepant environmental impacts

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/may/31/avoiding...

Avoiding meat and dairy is ‘single biggest way’ to reduce your impact on Earth

> If you really want to achieve something, rather than just talking ecology, the key is not to try and force change on the general population

The change is absolutely needed.

https://css.umich.edu/publications/factsheets/sustainability...

One study estimates it would take just over 5 Earths to support the human population if everyone’s consumption patterns were similar to the average American.

We don't have those extra Earths, and won't anytime soon.

> the key is not to try and force change on the general population

Sure, solve the biggest problem we've ever faced, but we don't want to change a thing.