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Re:Median Center of Population for the United States: 1880 t... by ks2048 on Thursday August 10, 2023 @04:07PM (#37081076)
I know there's a lot of reasons for this, but I think weather is one of the biggest. I wonder if that ever reverses from extreme heat. Is a full month of 110+ degrees having people reconsider Arizona?
Re:Median Center of Population for the United States: 1880 t... by lotsofpulp on Thursday August 10, 2023 @04:35PM (#37081417)
Dewpoint and relative humidity are huge factors in how temperature is felt. 110F in Arizona might still feel more comfortable than 90F in eastern regions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/100th_meridian_west

>In the United States, this meridian roughly marks the boundary between the semi-arid climate in the west and the humid continental and humid subtropical climates in the east and is used as shorthand to refer to that arid-humid boundary.

Re:Median Center of Population for the United States: 1880 t... by jonah on Thursday August 10, 2023 @05:09PM (#37081849)
I don't know. I was just in Northwest Arkansas with 100°F and 99% humidity and then a day later in Phoenix Arizona with 100°F and ≈30% humidity (at midnight!) and it felt similarly oppressive...
Re:Median Center of Population for the United States: 1880 t... by woobar on Thursday August 10, 2023 @07:51PM (#37083265)
> Northwest Arkansas with 100°F and 99% humidity

People like to throw numbers like 90°F at 90%+ humidity. It doesn't work like this. If you look at the hourly data for Bentonville, AR (Northwest Arkansas) on the hottest day of the month [1] you see that by the time temperature got to 101°F humidity was at 32%. It is sticky as hell, but I guess as a number 30% doesn't sound impressive enough.

[1] https://www.wunderground.com/history/daily/us/ar/bentonville...

Re:Median Center of Population for the United States: 1880 t... by rufus_foreman on Thursday August 10, 2023 @08:13PM (#37083452)
100°F and 99% humidity is a dew point of 100. The highest recorded dew point ever on earth is 95.

No, I do not believe that you were just in Northwest Arkansas with 100°F and 99% humidity.

Re:Median Center of Population for the United States: 1880 t... by hattmall on Thursday August 10, 2023 @10:51PM (#37084556)
I always feel hotter with the low humidity. It's stickier and possibly more uncomfortable if you aren't used to it with high humidity. But even low 90s with very low humidity feels like inside an oven to me. I was working outside all day yesterday and it was about 95 with with 60-70% humidity and it felt great with a slight breeze.
Re:Median Center of Population for the United States: 1880 t... by fooker on Friday August 11, 2023 @06:05AM (#37086943)
You were dehydrated.
Re:Median Center of Population for the United States: 1880 t... by bachmeier on Thursday August 10, 2023 @04:23PM (#37081264)
Air conditioning changed everything: https://www.energy.gov/articles/history-air-conditioning

> Engineer Henry Galson went on to develop a more compact, inexpensive version of the window air conditioner and set up production lines for several manufacturers. By 1947, 43,000 of these systems were sold -- and, for the first time, homeowners could enjoy air conditioning without having to make expensive upgrades.

> By the late 1960s, most new homes had central air conditioning, and window air conditioners were more affordable than ever, fueling population growth in hot-weather states like Arizona and Florida. Air conditioning is now in nearly 100 million American homes, representing 87 percent of all households, according to the Energy Information Administration.

Re:Median Center of Population for the United States: 1880 t... by topspin on Thursday August 10, 2023 @04:16PM (#37081191)
I went the opposite direction of that line several years ago. It's been high 70's and low 80's all summer. Two low 90 days so far.

Last winter was mild as well.

So yeah, that could happen. Lots of water here as well.

Re:Median Center of Population for the United States: 1880 t... by psychlops on Thursday August 10, 2023 @04:20PM (#37081224)
Arizona is tax friendly to retirees allowing a more comfortable living on a fixed income. That can pay for a lot of air conditioning (or swamp coolers).
Re:Median Center of Population for the United States: 1880 t... by jiveturkey on Thursday August 10, 2023 @04:31PM (#37081361)
A recent Atlantic article says, no. The county where Phoenix is, is still the fastest growing county in the USA, for multiple years running.

Most of the year the weather is good, apparently. Throw in air conditioning de rigeur, and cheap housing (due to no artificial supply restriction), and I guess you have the formula for population growth. Perhaps some politics are part of it too. Total taxes are half that of California. Probably not the #1 tax friendly state, but certainly up there.

Re:Median Center of Population for the United States: 1880 t... by Eumenes on Thursday August 10, 2023 @04:25PM (#37081289)
People are way more tolerant of extreme heat compared to cold
Re:Median Center of Population for the United States: 1880 t... by bell-cot on Thursday August 10, 2023 @04:36PM (#37081430)
Yes...up to a point. And there's the similar/related issue of extreme drought. If the wells and pipes run dry, the local population density tends to plummet.
Re:Median Center of Population for the United States: 1880 t... by digging on Thursday August 10, 2023 @05:30PM (#37082053)
Which is an artifact of a past age and foolish to bank on. Cold can be dangerous but we basically have what we need to survive at any low temperature in North America.

However, heat can't be combatted when you're outside in it with the same effectiveness. It reaches a point where the air temperature is simply lethal. It reaches a point where the paved ground burns whatever touches it. It degrades our medicines and damages our tools. We've already begun to experience these effects and it will only ever get worse. People should be moving away from hot areas, but instead they're running their AC 24/7 so they can keep pretending they made a good choice a little longer.

Re:Median Center of Population for the United States: 1880 t... by resolutebat on Thursday August 10, 2023 @06:05PM (#37082376)
Until you get to wet bulb saturation extremes, you can survive heat as long as you have a supply of water. Cold temperatures, on the other hand, will kill you straight up.
Re:Median Center of Population for the United States: 1880 t... by ke88y on Thursday August 10, 2023 @06:52PM (#37082726)
Also, AC uses way less carbon than heat.
Re:Median Center of Population for the United States: 1880 t... by wnoise on Thursday August 10, 2023 @10:43PM (#37084494)
Heat pumps can work both ways.
Re:Median Center of Population for the United States: 1880 t... by kibwen on Thursday August 10, 2023 @07:24PM (#37083032)
We could reverse this statement, but replace "water" with "warm clothing". It's not like we haven't been ameliorating the effects of cold for ages.
Re:Median Center of Population for the United States: 1880 t... by mr_toad on Thursday August 10, 2023 @10:43PM (#37084488)
> you can survive heat as long as you have a supply of water

Above ~55C (131F) that water will burn your tongue and throat. Even at 45C water will be uncomfortably warm.

Re:Median Center of Population for the United States: 1880 t... by fooker on Friday August 11, 2023 @06:08AM (#37086957)
What are you talking about?

A majority of the world's population is into drinking tea and other beverages significantly hotter than 55C

Re:Median Center of Population for the United States: 1880 t... by digging on Monday August 14, 2023 @10:49AM (#37121672)
No, you're saying that like those extreme highs are distant specters. They already happen and are part of our immediate future. At which point, the human body cannot survive by evaporating water. Drinking cold water is an active measure which frankly is not available to all people, especially many of those most vulnerable to these fatal temperatures. When the WBT passes a certain level it will kill you straight up. Cold, not so much. People live in Antarctica. And although we will get storms and more extreme weather, the planet is getting hotter.
Re:Median Center of Population for the United States: 1880 t... by rufus_foreman on Thursday August 10, 2023 @08:15PM (#37083467)
>> we basically have what we need to survive at any low temperature in North America

Senior citizens don't have what they need to survive shoveling snow at any temperature in North America.

Re:Median Center of Population for the United States: 1880 t... by glompers on Thursday August 10, 2023 @08:42PM (#37083667)
Really cold seasons are cold around the clock... in the neotropical summer many people do go out running between 5AM and 7AM because it's fine to be outside when it's 75°-85°F outside.

At subtropical latitudes a low elevation desert climate with high temperatures overnight is very much the exception, not the rule. Likewise, it's unusual to have cold bright sunny seasons because few of us live in the Andes:

The hot subtropics are often bright even when it's muggy. This 24/7 makes one (even without going out jogging) feel less cooped up inside than the double whammy of low annual insolation gloom in so many cold latitudes when it's cold (even without having to walk in nor shovel snow).

Re:Median Center of Population for the United States: 1880 t... by paxys on Thursday August 10, 2023 @04:59PM (#37081706)
Do we need a contemporary reason for it? People have been migrating away from the northeast since the early 1800s, and that is still going on today.