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Re:CNET is deleting old articles to try to improve its Googl... by zx8080 on Wednesday August 09, 2023 @07:35PM (#37069858)
What a fantasy. It does not show any sign of profit decrease. How would a company die with $279.8B revenue, steadily increasing yearly?
Re:CNET is deleting old articles to try to improve its Googl... by mxkopy on Wednesday August 09, 2023 @07:42PM (#37069906)
I suspect that the revenue increases have more to do with the addition of new users in developing markets rather than actual value added. Once all potential users have been reached, Google will have to actually improve their product.
Re:CNET is deleting old articles to try to improve its Googl... by dereg on Wednesday August 09, 2023 @08:07PM (#37070101)
No such suspicion is necessary. Google's revenue from the United States has only increased as a share of its total revenue over the past decade. https://abc.xyz/assets/4c/c7/d619b323f5bba689be986d716a61/34...
Re:CNET is deleting old articles to try to improve its Googl... by chongli on Wednesday August 09, 2023 @08:28PM (#37070262)
I think the theory of Google's death is that they are "killing the golden goose." The idea is that they are killing off all the independent websites on the internet. That is, all the sites besides Facebook/Instagram/Twitter/NetFlix/Reddit/etc. that people access directly (either through an app or a bookmark) and which (barring Reddit) block GoogleBot anyway.

These are all the sites (like CNET) that Google indexes which are the entire reason to use search. They are having their rankings steadily eroded by an ever-rising tide of SEO spam. If they start dying off en masse and if LLMs emerge as a viable alternative for looking up information, we may see Google Search die along with them.

As for why their revenues are still increasing? It's because all the SEO spam sites out there run Google Ads. This is how we close the loop on the "killing the golden goose" theory. Google uses legitimate sites to make their search engine a viable product and at the same time directs traffic away from those legitimate sites towards SEO spam to generate revenue. It's a transformation from symbiosis/mutualism to parasitism.

Re:CNET is deleting old articles to try to improve its Googl... by water-your-self on Wednesday August 09, 2023 @09:54PM (#37070953)
Directs traffic away not to generate revenue but to generate revenue faster this quarter in time for the report. They could make billions without liquifying the internet but they would make billions slowly
Re:CNET is deleting old articles to try to improve its Googl... by Denzel on Wednesday August 09, 2023 @10:23PM (#37071167)
> Google uses legitimate sites to make their search engine a viable product and at the same time directs traffic away from those legitimate sites towards SEO spam to generate revenue.

[Disclosure: Google Search SWE; opinions and thoughts are my own and do not represent those of my employer]

Why do you assume malicious intent?

The balance between search ranking (Google) and search optimization (third-party sites) is an adversarial, dynamic game played between two sides with inverse incentives, taking place on an economic field (i.e. limited resources). There is no perfect solution; there’s only an evolutionary act-react cycle.

Do you think content spammers spend more or less resources (people, time, money) than Google’s revenue? So then the problem becomes how do you win a battle with orders of magnitude less people, time, and money? Leverage, i.e., engineering. You try your best and watch the scoreboard.

Some people think Google is doing a great job; some think we couldn’t be any worse. The truth probably lies across a spectrum in the middle. So it goes with a globally consumed product.

Also, note, Ads and Search operate completely independent. There’s no signals going from Ads to Search, or vice versa, to inform rankings; Search can’t even touch a lot of the Ads data, and Ads can’t touch Search data. Which makes your theory misinformed.

Re:CNET is deleting old articles to try to improve its Googl... by chongli on Wednesday August 09, 2023 @10:38PM (#37071250)
Also, note, Ads and Search operate completely independent

That’s the mistake. They should be talking. Sites that engage in unethical SEO to game search rankings should be banned from Google’s ad platform. Why aren’t they? Because Google is profiting from the arrangement.

Re:CNET is deleting old articles to try to improve its Googl... by vasco on Thursday August 10, 2023 @12:49AM (#37072088)
When I enter a search query, that goes into Ads so that half the page can be relevant Ads instead of search results. That's a signal.
Re:CNET is deleting old articles to try to improve its Googl... by beefield on Thursday August 10, 2023 @12:50AM (#37072097)
> Why do you assume malicious intent?

Not GP, but to me, admittably a complete non-expert on search, there are so many low-hanging fruits if search result quality was anywhere on Google's radar that it is really difficult not to assume malicious intent.

Some examples:

- why pinterest is flooding the image results with absolute nonesense? How difficult it would be to derank a single domain that manages to screw google's algorithm totally?

- why there is no option for me to blacklist domains from the search result? Are there really some challenges that can't be practically solved in a couple of minutes of thinking?

- Does google seriously claim they can't differentiate between stackoverflow and the content copying rip-off SEO spam sites?

Re:CNET is deleting old articles to try to improve its Googl... by pbmonster on Thursday August 10, 2023 @03:58AM (#37073297)
> why there is no option for me to blacklist domains from the search result?

You might already be aware of this, but you can use uBlock Origin to filter google search results.

Click on the extension --> Settings --> My Filters. Paste in the bottom

    google.*##.g:has(a[href*="pinterest.com"])

Every time I get mislead on clicking onto an AI aggregator site, my filter list grows...
Re:CNET is deleting old articles to try to improve its Googl... by Aerbil313 on Thursday August 10, 2023 @05:53AM (#37074020)
The issues you pointed out might be due to a company policy of not manually manipulating search results and leaving it all to the algorithm. It can be argued that this leads them to improve their algorithm, although at this point I don't think any algorithm other than a good and big LLM/classifier-transformer can solve the ranking problem, and that is probably not economical or something. But OTOH they manually ban domains they deem to be not conformant to the views of the Party. (not CCP, 1984)
Re:CNET is deleting old articles to try to improve its Googl... by sznio on Thursday August 10, 2023 @05:12AM (#37073766)
> Why do you assume malicious intent?

There doesn't have to be any malicious intent, just an endless chase for increased profit next quarter. SEO spam has more ads, thus generates more income for Google. Even if Ads and Search operate "completely independently", there must be a person in the corporate hierarchy which has control over both and could push the products to better synergize and make that KPI tick up.

Actually deranking sites which feature more than three Google Ads banners would improve search quality (mainly by making sites get to the point rather than padding a simple answer into an essay like an 8th grader at an exam) - but it would reduce Ads income so you cannot do it, no matter how independent you claim to be.

Re:CNET is deleting old articles to try to improve its Googl... by washadjeffmad on Thursday August 10, 2023 @09:04AM (#37075645)
I think dismissing the relationship and impact adtech and search continue to have on web culture is an incredibly pointy-headed misstep. It's the sort of willful oversight that someone makes when their career relies on something being true.

Unless you have a clear view by leadership of what they desire the web should be and are willing to disclose it in detail, then there's not much to add by saying you work in Search.

Re:CNET is deleting old articles to try to improve its Googl... by 7speter on Thursday August 10, 2023 @01:00AM (#37072158)
I've also kinda been wondering if Google has been ruining it's search to bolster youtube content.
Re:CNET is deleting old articles to try to improve its Googl... by reaperducer on Wednesday August 09, 2023 @09:26PM (#37070726)
What a fantasy. It does not show any sign of profit decrease. How would a company die with $279.8B revenue, steadily increasing yearly?

At one time both buggy whips and Philco radios had hockey stick growth charts, too.

You must not bet old enough to remember when people thought MySpace would always drive the internet.

Re:CNET is deleting old articles to try to improve its Googl... by gretch on Wednesday August 09, 2023 @10:42PM (#37071280)
> You must not bet old enough to remember when people thought MySpace would always drive the internet.

You know there's a difference between "people thought" and dollars.

Some people think the earth is flat. Opinions can change very quickly - like 5 years ago, people thought elon musk was the hero of the internet.

Here's the stats on MySpace revenue: It generated $800 million in revenue during the 2008 fiscal year.

Re:CNET is deleting old articles to try to improve its Googl... by verve_rat on Wednesday August 09, 2023 @11:49PM (#37071711)
And MySpace generates about 10% of that now.

Google could be generating $27 billion in revenue in 2038 and be considered a massive failure compared to what it is now.

I fail to see the point you are trying to get at?

Re:CNET is deleting old articles to try to improve its Googl... by chinchilla2020 on Thursday August 10, 2023 @11:31AM (#37077490)
Their search results are declining rapidly in quality. "<SEARCH QUERY> reddit" is one of their most common searches. Their results are filled with SEO spam and bots now.

At some point a competitor will emerge. The tech crowd will notice it and begin to use it. Then it will go widespread.