Like the RAV-4 Hybrid, Ford Escape Hybrid & Plug-in Hybrid, etc., yes.
> but they don't exist used because they don't exist new.
Except they do exist, both new and used.
I was in line for a Sienna for 20 months before I finally bailed.
You could find those RAV4s here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12fx6j51iiA7q1Wm3keDu... (or the hybrid or prime) if you were bored.
Often the manufacturers allocate vehicles to dealers on somewhat of a random lottery, so if you need one fast you're often best traveling to the dealer that's as far away from a big city as possible.
How much cargo you want? I think the mid-size sector favorites (CR-V, RAV4, etc.) come pretty close to this, especially if you are willing to use a cargo box.
I'm thinking of something more akin to the old hatchbacks, but that may be getting close.
(Comparing the RAV4 to the Camry really shows the Camry's weaknesses, it's a bigger car with less room).
Honda's really dated now and needs a strong refresh. Toyota's king of the market and it shows they know, I wish someone would light a fire under them a bit.
Once it's available, that might be very nice.
I was supremely disappointed that the Transit full-size van is NOT available in passenger in the EV version. Might have almost stretched the budget for that.
I have a chevy silverado with a crew cab. I put my 6 family members in it regularly. I get 20-25mpg on the highway because the engine shuts down 4 cylinders when I'm cruising. I have had hondas, toyotas, BMWs and I have to say in my opinion, american full-size trucks are the greatest cars on the road today in terms of trading-off size, efficiency, reliability, range, price (maybe not now) etc. I never thought of myself as a "truck guy" until I got one. Its a hard pill for many to swallow.
In my opinion, full size trucks are the absolute worst vehicles on the road in terms of those trade offs. You get pitiful gas mileage, a tiny cab, high prices, and the thing is absolutely massive despite most folks only generally using a tiny portion of it at a time.
IMO the only justifiable reason to drive a pickup is if you tow or carry extremely volumes of stuff on a near daily basis.
> The Carnival matched its EPA combined rating during its stay with us, averaging 22 mpg. https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a38417315/2022-kia-carn...
> No matter which trim you select, the 2023 Honda Odyssey mpg will be 19 city/28 highway/22 combined.
These are not 10-15 extra. Maybe 5-10 extra. The Sienna might pull 15 extra.
I don't need extra room for passengers, I need extra room for other stuff, lumber, pipes, etc. I've had a van before, and I think the tradeoffs are better in terms of the truck. Not all folks that have trucks are soccer moms that use it to drop off the kids like you think.
They're damn usable vehicles, especially if you consider the entire market from the Maverick up to the super-duty.
Someone should do the math on the environmental aspects of one largish vehicle for a family vs a largish + smaller (e.g, when does the fuel savings of the smaller finally out run the cost of acquiring said smaller).
The Toyota Highlander is just a minivan with SUV doors.
Besides the "cool factor" it's really the perfect vehicle.
But they're dying because people ain't buying, because the costs are so high and those with the money to buy new vehicles don't like them.
There is NOTHING preventing small SUVs that hold 5 people and cargo, get really good mileage, and are cheap(ish) - but they don't exist used because they don't exist new.
(It's sad, because I'm buying a new minivan, and I could not make the PHEV Pacifica make sense no matter how I finagled the financial numbers, the Sienna is simply unavailable at reasonable trim levels, and nobody makes an EV minivan.)