Re:Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no ...
by zeusk on Sunday August 06, 2023 @03:11PM
(#37025464)
it isn't for you solely/exclusively. If it "improves" the service for everyone - that includes "you".
Re:Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no ...
by gnicholas on Sunday August 06, 2023 @03:52PM
(#37025903)
Yep, I acknowledge that is a possibility, but it would also lead to them having permission to display literally the entirety of my videonconf calls to anyone, for advertising purposes or some other purpose that only incidentally benefits me. That would be a strained reading IMO.
Re:Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no ...
by zeusk on Sunday August 06, 2023 @04:04PM
(#37026032)
> solely for the limited purpose of operating and enabling the Service to work as intended for You and for no other purposes.
Pretty sure this clause would rule out any advertising purpose. The main idea here is - will they use your feed to train AI models (for segmentation / background filters etc)? Things that do evidently improve the service for everyone including "you".
Re:Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no ...
by Guvante on Sunday August 06, 2023 @04:04PM
(#37026037)
Additionally courts consider the fact that users have little if any say in the terms and thus tend to take the most restrictive but still reasonable view of any uncertainty in the terms.
Basically "if you wanted it you could have asked for it, if you didn't then that is a problem".
Re:Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no ...
by gnicholas on Sunday August 06, 2023 @05:20PM
(#37026908)
Yep, contracts of adhesion, and construing against the drafter: both favor the user here.
Re:Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no ...
by turbojerry on Sunday August 06, 2023 @04:59PM
(#37026686)
To misquote Bill Clinton, it depends on what the means of 'you' is.
Re:Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no ...
by benatkin on Sunday August 06, 2023 @05:05PM
(#37026758)
More like a certainty :)
Re:Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no ...
by johndhi on Sunday August 06, 2023 @05:26PM
(#37026976)
I write these policies for my day job and I agree with this.
Re:Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no ...
by oblio on Sunday August 06, 2023 @06:17PM
(#37027472)
> I write these policies for my day job
My regrets :-p
Re:Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no ...
by crftr on Sunday August 06, 2023 @07:17PM
(#37027977)
"You" is a defined term in Jitsi's Terms of Service.
>...any legal entity or business, such entity or business (collectively, “You” or “Your”)
Re:Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no ...
by gnicholas on Sunday August 06, 2023 @08:05PM
(#37028318)
In case this is meant to imply that perhaps my business and your business are both part of the same "You", they are not. They are each a party to a separate contract with Jitsi; we are not all party to one huge contract with each other (which would hypothetically allow Jitsi to do anything with our content for the purpose of helping them serve all of us).
Re:Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no ...
by smoofles on Monday August 07, 2023 @11:32AM
(#37035864)
Something like: If I have a call with you once, theoretically I might have a call with you again in the future. If they use my content to train "your" AI that would improve our theoretical future call, too, and is a "for me" use, I guess?
And I might have a call with any other zoom user, too, potentially, maybe. So really they are doing me a service by using my content all over the place — who knows, it might benefit me at some point!
To me (a former corporate lawyer) the "for You" qualifier would limit their ability to use content to train an AI for use by anyone other than "You". Is there an argument? Yes. But by that argument, they would also be allowed to "publicly perform" my videoconf calls for some flimsy reasons that don't directly benefit me.