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Re:Linux surpasses the Mac among Steam gamers by executesorder66 on Friday August 04, 2023 @06:04AM (#36997771)
> or are just using whats one the phone they wanted

In that case 99.9% of windows users fall in the same category. They are just using the OS that came on the device they bought. How many people actually bought a separate license, and downloaded a Windows installer because they specifically wanted to install Windows on their device?

Re:Linux surpasses the Mac among Steam gamers by deadbunny on Friday August 04, 2023 @06:42AM (#36998042)
How many people actually bought a separate license, and downloaded a Windows installer because they specifically wanted to install Windows on their device?

Pretty much the entire (DIY) PC gaming market? Granted they may not buy Windows but they are certainly making the choice to download and use it over linux.

Sure there is a pre-built market for desktop PCs but I would think the PC Gaming market skews to DIY though I have no stats.

Note: I run arch btw.

Re:Linux surpasses the Mac among Steam gamers by executesorder66 on Friday August 04, 2023 @07:00AM (#36998211)
Yeah I know. But they must be less than 0.5% of the total number of Windows users. Probably even less. So you are just proving my point here that practically all windows users just use the OS that comes with the device they got.
Re:Linux surpasses the Mac among Steam gamers by ac29 on Friday August 04, 2023 @10:51AM (#37000833)
The story you are commenting on is about a hardware survey of gamers. I think quite a bit more than 0.5% chose to use Windows intentionally.
Re:Linux surpasses the Mac among Steam gamers by bitcharmer on Friday August 04, 2023 @09:52AM (#37000041)
No, that used to be the case a few years ago. Proton runs practically any game on Linux these days. No good reason to pick windows these days
Re:Linux surpasses the Mac among Steam gamers by pjmlp on Friday August 04, 2023 @10:40AM (#37000708)
Except that Windows is the target OS emulated by Proton, which otherwise wouldn't have any games to run.
Re:Linux surpasses the Mac among Steam gamers by bitcharmer on Friday August 04, 2023 @04:16PM (#37005281)
Yes, and what's your point?
Re:Linux surpasses the Mac among Steam gamers by pjmlp on Saturday August 05, 2023 @01:38AM (#37009307)
It is a failure regarding fostering the development of Linux games.

No difference of being a nice package for something like MAME.

Re:Linux surpasses the Mac among Steam gamers by bombolo on Friday August 04, 2023 @10:07AM (#37000277)
proton is good, but it's not nearly that good.
Re:Linux surpasses the Mac among Steam gamers by bitcharmer on Friday August 04, 2023 @10:13AM (#37000349)
Yes, it doesn't run 5% of games smoothly therefore it's shite. Give me a break
Re:Linux surpasses the Mac among Steam gamers by dicytea on Friday August 04, 2023 @10:31AM (#37000611)
30% actually.

Just a few weeks ago, I tried playing a Japanese game that I was interested in, but it didn't even get past the start menu. Not a big deal for me as I'm not an avid gamer, I just moved on.

But imagine telling a hardcore gamer that no, you can't play that new game released an hour ago. Maybe it'll become compatible a few months later, maybe not.

Or tell a professional artist that no, they can't use that art software anymore, they have to retrain their entire skillset with an entirely different software.

Now that's a show-stopper. For most people, it's 100% compatibility or bust.

Re:Linux surpasses the Mac among Steam gamers by taeric on Friday August 04, 2023 @11:46AM (#37001612)
The community is really responsive, such that you could point the hardcore gamer to the forums and they would likely get help getting it fixed.

Professional artists are also an interesting choice. If they are in a major art studio, they are probably having to use custom tooling there already. And Wacom is very well supported on linux.

Re:Linux surpasses the Mac among Steam gamers by bombolo on Friday August 04, 2023 @03:32PM (#37004756)
It's responsive but most people aren't so technically skilled.

I have a game that works fine with proton on one machine, but doesn't on another machine. But works fine with windows on both machines.

I tried for hours to get it to work on the other machine, since it clearly can. No luck.

In the end with proprietary software, it's always a black box.

Re:Linux surpasses the Mac among Steam gamers by taeric on Friday August 04, 2023 @03:56PM (#37005034)
They aren't necessarily technically skilled, but they are often building the skills. Is literally how a lot of us got into computers. Did we actually understand what himem was? Not at all, but we could play with DOS and friends really well. :D

This is also an odd rabbit hole to fight about. I've had so many windows boxes that couldn't play games throughout the years that I've basically accepted that games programming is hard. :D

Re:Linux surpasses the Mac among Steam gamers by lkjdsklf on Friday August 04, 2023 @11:33AM (#37001426)
Proton is great. But it isn't windows.

I play games with proton every day and every single title I've ever played in it has had noticeable issues. Most are minor and the game is perfectly playable. Some are just annoying performance issues. Shaders taking forever to load so maps are unplayable the first few iterations until they're all cached.. stuff like that. And a few that are completely game breaking.

Virtually no one (outside of SteamOS or whatever it's called) is choosing to game in Linux over Windows at the moment. The experience just isn't that good yet. They game in linux because they already use linux for something else and don't want to dual boot or have a separate desktop.

It's absolutely amazing that we can do that these days. If you told me 5 years ago that I'd play 98% of my games on linux, I'd have laughed in your face. It's awesome how far it's come.

But it's objectively worse than playing on windows.