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Re:Successful room temperature ambient-pressure magnetic lev... by MrYellowP on Friday August 04, 2023 @03:11AM (#36996500)
You make no sense. Observe:

> And things like clocks and batteries were slowly refined over many, many years, so they don't fit either.

Everything started with a thought, or a discovery. What happens after is irrelevant. The event, that kicks off Dramatic Change(tm), is at the start.

> That's just a list of good inventions.

No. It isn't just a list of good inventions. Ignoring that it's not all inventions, you seem to lack the understanding of the impact. For example:

> Antibiotics

A discovery. It literally changed how humanity moves forward. One of the whitest swan moments in human history.

> public key cryptography

It took until 1975 for someone to figure this out and it changed how we exchange information, legitimize ourselves and deal with our privacy.

> contraceptive pill

The invention of the pill was an event that had massive impact on how Humanity moved forward.

> printing press

The invention of mass production of books lead to the first information explosion, dramatically changing humanity's future.

What you're doing here is mixing your ignorance of the impactfullness of some of the things on the list, with your own personal idea of what's "great", or however you want to call it.

Even if I agree that not everything on that list is equally meaningfull in terms of impact, some of them are really fucking high up the ladder, just like room temperature superconductors.

Re:Successful room temperature ambient-pressure magnetic lev... by defrost on Friday August 04, 2023 @03:35AM (#36996681)
Just for the record:

> > public key cryptography

> It took until 1975 for someone to figure this out

Sketched out in 1874 as a concept by Jevons, firmed up (sans implementation) in 1970, first implemented in 1973 (classified for nigh on 30 years by the UK Govt).

First public example (of a different schema) was 1976.

Other examples worked out in 1974, not published until 1978. etc.

I have no great quibble here, 1975 is a good approximate ballpark figure but I wasn't sure which scheme you had in mind as it's almost the only year in the 1970s that nothing particularly significant happened in public key crypto.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public-key_cryptography

Re:Successful room temperature ambient-pressure magnetic lev... by Dylan16807 on Friday August 04, 2023 @03:20AM (#36996550)
> Everything started with a thought, or a discovery. What happens after is irrelevant. The event, that kicks off Dramatic Change(tm), is at the start.

Clocks did not have an event that kicks off a dramatic change. We've had them for thousands of years. I don't see how anyone could disagree with that.

I could see disagreement about batteries, but even then I feel like they were quite marginal for quite a while. A slow buildup is not a "black swan but good". There needs to be quite a lot of suddenness to it all.

And I didn't even mention the ones in the rest of your post so I don't want to argue those.

If you talked about all those because I said "list of good inventions", let me clarify. It's a list of "good or better inventions", mixing ones that qualify as 'black swan but good" with ones that don't.

Re:Successful room temperature ambient-pressure magnetic lev... by tiledjinn on Friday August 04, 2023 @09:43AM (#36999931)
> One of the whitest swan moments in human history

wat

it's called a black swan because black swans are rare. white swans are quite common. discoveries with the impact of antibiotics are extremely rare.

what, exactly, do you think the term "black swan" means. and why do you think that?

Re:Successful room temperature ambient-pressure magnetic lev... by pr0zac on Friday August 04, 2023 @11:33AM (#37001430)
The conversation is about "black swan but good" events and white is often used as short hand for good as opposed to black being used as short hand for something bad. Its pretty easy to understand what he means (even if "white swan" is technically used usually to refer to major events that were predictable beforehand) so I'm guessing you're just being mean for no reason.

I am wondering though what exactly you think "black swan event" means since your post here makes it rather clear you don't at all understand what the term means or where it comes from either.

Black swans are not at all rare and a "black swan event" is not called that because of the rarity of black swans. Its called that because "black swan" was at one time used to refer to non-existent or impossible things in England then when Australia was discovered they found out black swans are actually extremely common, which was a very unexpected event that couldn't have been predicted from the data available beforehand. Its the discovery of black swans that was unlikely, not black swans, and its the unexpectedness of their discovery happening that is the relevant piece that makes something a "black swan event". [1]

If black swans were rare seeing one would not be a "black swan event" (ironically it would be a white swan event) because it would be possible to predict that one would could be seen, just not very often, making it not have the required unexpectedness.

Please if you are going to be pedantic try to also actually be correct on what you're being a jerk about first.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_swan_theory