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Re:Apple reports third quarter results by comboy on Thursday August 03, 2023 @05:08PM (#36991959)
Their version of LLM should be fun, they have their silicon, they can make it local and integrate with the ecosystem.
Re:Apple reports third quarter results by lvl102 on Thursday August 03, 2023 @05:16PM (#36992079)
Going by Siri, they are behind competition by a wide margin.
Re:Apple reports third quarter results by vvvvtt340 on Thursday August 03, 2023 @06:34PM (#36992994)
I don't think Siri's quality is a good indication of Apple's ability to come out with a successful LLM product in the future.

One thing I think about is how Alexa is apparently considered a failure at Amazon (https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/11/amazon-alexa-is-a-co...). Alexa devices sell well but people only use them for trivial use cases that are hard to monetize.

I speculate that Apple doesn't see a need to invest in Siri because the market has shown that digital assistants don't synergize with "services" that well.

Additionally, I don't think that Apple will need to leverage the "Siri codebase" as a starting point for releasing a compelling LLM codebase - maybe voice recognition, but who knows.

Apple has shown through other product launches that they will take a "wait and see" approach and release something when its ready.

Re:Apple reports third quarter results by what_ever on Thursday August 03, 2023 @06:58PM (#36993253)
If that's the case, why do they keep releasing HomePods?
Re:Apple reports third quarter results by bpicolo on Thursday August 03, 2023 @07:46PM (#36993597)
They’re a fabulous Bluetooth speaker if nothing else
Re:Apple reports third quarter results by xsmasher on Thursday August 03, 2023 @08:44PM (#36994032)
HomePods "synergize" well with Apple Music subscriptions.

I also think they're a protective measure to keep people from getting someone else's smart device, which might lead you into someone else's ecosystem.

Re:Apple reports third quarter results by vvvvtt340 on Thursday August 03, 2023 @08:59PM (#36994117)
I think this is a fair point. Taking a look at the product page for the $300 HomePod (https://www.apple.com/homepod-2nd-generation/), I would argue that the HomePod is marketed more as a speaker with Siri integration rather than a Siri device with a really good speaker.

The bullet points I see on the above page, in order, are - really good speaker - Siri integration - integrates with Apple ecosystem for playing music - smart home integration - "private and secure" whatever that means

So, it's not clear to me that "a better Siri" would necessarily result in selling X amount more speakers to make Siri a worthy investment while investing in better audio technology does because it's the main selling point for HomePods.

Re:Apple reports third quarter results by lotsofpulp on Thursday August 03, 2023 @11:57PM (#36995326)
Homepods are great to pair with Apple TVs for stereo sound.
Re:Apple reports third quarter results by lvl102 on Thursday August 03, 2023 @07:56PM (#36993689)
A major issue with Apple and LLM is that they pledged data privacy. I don’t think they’re training on anything special.
Re:Apple reports third quarter results by macintux on Thursday August 03, 2023 @08:55PM (#36994092)
They keep releasing new hardware that could really use a much better Siri (AirPods, HomePod, Watch, and now Vision) so the ongoing lack of a quality voice UI is embarrassing.

I very much think it has to be in their near future.

Re:Apple reports third quarter results by Dig1t on Thursday August 03, 2023 @05:17PM (#36992081)
I agree, this will probably be more impactful than the Vision Pro. Making all their products way more useful. You can already run Llama on a Mac and it’s pretty great. When Apple release theirs it will probably be a very nice experience.
Re:Apple reports third quarter results by qlkjwenf on Friday August 04, 2023 @04:26AM (#36997080)
LLM from apple? I tried dozens of voice assistants in my life and non of them was worse than Siri by a very large margin. I can't even remember a single time I got a useful answer from Siri and 90% of the time, it was not even able to understand what I said (no problems with other assistants).