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Re:A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team by worrycue on Thursday August 03, 2023 @03:56AM (#36982691)
Frankly Firefox is barely a hedge against Chrome. When it comes to things like JPEG-XL they are in lock step with Chrome.

Safari ended up being JPEG-XL’s unlikely champion.

I kind of wished Apple would release Safari for other platforms again.

Re:A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team by bawolff on Thursday August 03, 2023 @04:23AM (#36982917)
HN is weirdly obsessed with jpeg-xl. The logic for removing it totally made sense.
Re:A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team by febusravenga on Thursday August 03, 2023 @05:20AM (#36983353)
true, I'm web fronted developer and I don't care ... more, I have no ida that there's some drama going on

let alone normal users

Re:A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team by dvtkrlbs on Thursday August 03, 2023 @06:07AM (#36983717)
I personally don't agree. They did a test with limited users and than complained the audience was limited.
Re:A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team by rhn_mk1 on Thursday August 03, 2023 @06:28AM (#36983852)
There's nothing weird about the obsession. It's the most technically impresive format so far.
Re:A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team by kmlx on Thursday August 03, 2023 @07:07AM (#36984112)
avif? webp?
Re:A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team by rhn_mk1 on Thursday August 03, 2023 @07:28AM (#36984284)
https://avif.io/blog/comparisons/avif-vs-webp/

> AVIF has an image resolution limit of 65536 x 65536 pixels.

but from https://tonisagrista.com/blog/2023/jpegxl-vs-avif/

> Max image size is limited to 4K (3840x2160) in AVIF, which is a deal breaker to me. You can tile images, but seams are visible at the edges,

> WebP also has a hard limit to an image's frame size, with its maximum dimension being 16,383 x 16,383

> WebP supports a max bit depth of 8-bit

> AVIF flexes a max bit depth of 10

Jpeg XL has progressive rendering support https://opensource.googleblog.com/2021/09/using-saliency-in-...

AVIF spec doesn't (although it might gain it: https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=122171...)

JPEG-XL manages to be more efficient than other current formats: https://cloudinary.com/blog/jpeg-xl-how-it-started-how-its-g...

All of that while being a good all-around image format (rather than a specialized one like webp and avif): same format for web, photos, raw photos, etc. To me, this makes it the most noteworthy image format now.

Re:A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team by kmlx on Sunday August 13, 2023 @06:48AM (#37108653)
interesting, thank you for the links.
Re:A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team by bawolff on Thursday August 03, 2023 @03:10PM (#36990345)
There's more that goes into a product decision than technical superiority.
Re:A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team by worrycue on Friday August 04, 2023 @07:49AM (#36998613)
Like?
Re:A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team by chungy on Thursday August 03, 2023 @04:11AM (#36982804)
Mozilla's made no such position as removing the experimental JPEG XL code.
Re:A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team by intellix on Thursday August 03, 2023 @04:21AM (#36982886)
I wish Safari would stop breaking the web. Every new iOS version requires me to change how to handle scrolling and fight new position bugs for days/weeks
Re:A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team by tatersolid on Thursday August 03, 2023 @09:24AM (#36985547)
You shouldn’t be “handling scrolling” at all in your code, that’s the browser’s job. Sites which attempt to interfere with native scrolling have terrible user experience and often break accessibility tools like screen readers or magnifiers.
Re:A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team by bpye on Thursday August 03, 2023 @04:10AM (#36982801)
I wonder if it really needs to be Safari or if there would be any demand for a WebKit+JavaScriptCore browser on other platforms?
Re:A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team by skavi on Thursday August 03, 2023 @04:10AM (#36982791)
Web for Gnome/Pantheon is WebKit based.
Re:A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team by realusername on Thursday August 03, 2023 @04:53AM (#36983159)
> I kind of wished Apple would release Safari for other platforms again.

It's barely maintained even on their own platforms. If they could stabilize and not break localStorage, indexdb or forms every other week, that would already be a great start before thinking of other platforms.

Re:A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team by baggy_trough on Thursday August 03, 2023 @09:40AM (#36985749)
> It's barely maintained even on their own platforms.

That is really an absurd claim. Check the webkit blog.

Re:A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team by realusername on Thursday August 03, 2023 @09:55AM (#36985965)
I have spent enough time fixing nonsense bugs in Safari to say that. Sure the devlog might look full but there's a very wide gap between Chrome or Firefox. Maybe it's not a priority compared to their revenue stream, I don't know.
Re:A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team by Kwpolska on Thursday August 03, 2023 @05:26AM (#36983403)
JPEG-XL is a feature the web can live without. But unlike Chrome, Firefox won't kill ad blockers or introduce DRM.
Re:A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team by Am4TIfIsER0ppos on Thursday August 03, 2023 @06:18AM (#36983784)
What? Firefox absolutely gave us DRM, encrypted media extensions, solely because they thought people would stop using it without support. They'll follow chrome on extensions, again, and the new DRM, attestation.
Re:A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team by robin_reala on Thursday August 03, 2023 @06:24AM (#36983820)
We can see exactly Mozilla’s position on JPEG-XL: https://mozilla.github.io/standards-positions/#jpegxl

JPEG-XL includes features and performance that might differentiate it from other formats, but the benefits it provides are not significant enough on their own to justify the cost of adding another raster image format to the Web.

Re:A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team by worrycue on Thursday August 03, 2023 @08:32AM (#36984966)
Yet it supports AVIF, a a directly competing format ...

There is nothing neutral about supporting one format and not supporting another.

Re:A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team by robin_reala on Thursday August 03, 2023 @10:10AM (#36986201)
If the functionality is effectively the same then supporting one of two formats reduces the attack surface for security exploits for little loss.
Re:A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team by worrycue on Thursday August 03, 2023 @11:03AM (#36986907)
> If the functionality is effectively the same

If it were people wouldn't be pushing for JPEG-XL.

I'm not going to repeat the advantages of JEPG-XL - plenty of posts on that already.

For some bizarre reason, Mozilla chooses to back the other format - release Firefox can display AVIF right now - while leaving JPEG-XL stuck behind a flag in a Nightly.