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Re:LK99: Team of Southeast University observed zero resistan... by gchadwick on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @02:45PM (#36975164)
Certainly no expert here but if you take the original video and replications at face value it does exhibit strong diamagnetism at room temperature. Superconductors are diamagnetic due to the Meissner effect at their superconducting temperature. This would mean LK99 is a superconductor at low temperature and separately be strongly diamagnetic at room temperature (no Meissner effect if it's not super conducting). Would that be unusual?
Re:LK99: Team of Southeast University observed zero resistan... by Workaccount2 on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @03:36PM (#36976024)
I have seen it posted that diamagnetic materials require multiple magnets stuck together to create field "pockets" (?) for the material to rest in.

The few videos of lk99 show it reacting to a singular magnet. A property of superconductors that apparently diamagnetic materials don't have.

Re:LK99: Team of Southeast University observed zero resistan... by DistractionRect on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @03:48PM (#36976243)
That's for levitating a diamagnetic material.

It'll react fine to a singular magnet, it just won't be stable enough to levitate - that's why the videos show casing replication of diamagnetism show it standing on end.

Re:LK99: Team of Southeast University observed zero resistan... by uyhgr on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @04:05PM (#36976524)
The term is “flux pinning”, and it only applies to the “quantum lock” effect. That is the specifically static hovering effect.

The diamagnetism, importantly this means repulsion of both poles simultaneously and equally (this is how you can have these magnets spin, a regular magnet repels same poles and attracts opposites, diamagnets repel both poles), is simply a characteristic of the superconductor, but it alone would just repel the object off.

Here is a timestamped link to NileRed’s YBCO video that visually describes the flux pinning:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RS7gyZJg5nc&t=1887

And here’s a timestamped link to Ben Krasnow’s Applied Science YBCO video where he shows a close up of the crystal’s cross section that shows the imperfections that allow the magnetic field through for the pinning effect:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sLFaa6RPJIU&t=75

Re:LK99: Team of Southeast University observed zero resistan... by jacquesm on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @04:21PM (#36976792)
NileRed is youtube gold. It's one of very few channels that I follow and learn from.
Re:LK99: Team of Southeast University observed zero resistan... by faraggi on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @04:51PM (#36977220)
I agree, great channel, but the cadence in his narration is atrocious.
Re:LK99: Team of Southeast University observed zero resistan... by jacquesm on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @04:52PM (#36977241)
It's fantastic compared to a lot of the people that I interact with on a daily basis so it doesn't bother me.
Re:LK99: Team of Southeast University observed zero resistan... by abnry on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @09:11PM (#36980094)
It only adds to the channel. I find it amusing.
Re:LK99: Team of Southeast University observed zero resistan... by adolph on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @04:37PM (#36977026)
When NileRed puts the YBCO on top of the row of bar magnets and it ping-pongs back and forth is awesome!

Timestamp: https://youtu.be/RS7gyZJg5nc?t=2496

Re:LK99: Team of Southeast University observed zero resistan... by uyhgr on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @05:28PM (#36977807)
The best thing about the NileRed superconductor video is it shows him initially failing to reproduce a YBCO superconductor after having already succeeded once before!

It goes to show how difficult manufacture, or in the case of the LK-99 news cycle “reproduction”, of these materials really is, and YBCO was a well documented area of superconductor manufacture.

Re:LK99: Team of Southeast University observed zero resistan... by jacquesm on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @07:09PM (#36979127)
And that he doesn't know what went wrong but comes up with a hypothesis and tests it and it works.
Re:LK99: Team of Southeast University observed zero resistan... by Laforet on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @04:47PM (#36977168)
Flux pinning of a superconductor should be able to hold it steady below a magnet, and the magnet should be able to drag the superconductor with it when moving (within reasonable weight limits of course). These will demonstrate for sure that levitation is not simply a force equilibrium between gravity, magnetic repulsion and one corner of the material resting on the surface.

There is a video from the Korean team showing LK99 moving when both poles of a large magnet is swung nearby, however the effect was a bit weak to conclusive.

Re:LK99: Team of Southeast University observed zero resistan... by uyhgr on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @05:24PM (#36977738)
Correct, the imperfections of the crystal allowing the flux pinning permits even a “hanging levitation”. Here is a timestamped video showing that:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ws6AAhTw7RA&t=90

If we develop methods of creating these superconductors with perfect crystal composition then there will only be the repulsion, allowing for levitation in a bowl shaped superconductor, but this “hanging levitation” would be impossible.

Perhaps we will develop manufacturing techniques to induce specific imperfections into the material to ensure predictable flux pinning.

Re:LK99: Team of Southeast University observed zero resistan... by jacquesm on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @02:52PM (#36975287)
It's all unusual because it is uncharted territory. My guess would be assuming that it all pans out that this is due to various impurities and that it will take a while before we have a sample that is pure enough that all of these properties can be nailed down for good.

What's strange is that drop at higher temps, that's either a measurement anomaly or something really odd.

Re:LK99: Team of Southeast University observed zero resistan... by adolph on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @04:15PM (#36976706)
> due to various impurities and that it will take a while before we have a sample that is pure enough that all of these properties can be nailed down for good.

Do you think it will be "purity" or understanding material variance/specific impurity?

It reminds me of Fogbank, the nuke material claimed to be "so secret they forgot how to make it." Part of the story of manufacturing difficulty was due to increased purity of modern materials/processes.

In a bizarre twist, the new production facility and reverse-engineered production process yielded a version of Fogbank that was of a higher purity than it had been in the past, according to the article. The problem, however, was that for Fogbank to work as intended in existing warhead designs, that previous level of impurity was actually essential. NNSA had to revise the process to ensure the final product was just as impure.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/32867/fogbank-is-myste...

Re:LK99: Team of Southeast University observed zero resistan... by jacquesm on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @04:18PM (#36976743)
> Do you think it will be "purity" or understanding material variance/specific impurity?

It could be either.

As I pointed out in other comments, that's how radioactivity was discovered and it is very well possible that they blundered into something exceptional by accident, it is also possible that both parties got it wrong and there are yet other effects at play (see the big gap in the t/R curve, that really needs explaining).

Re:LK99: Team of Southeast University observed zero resistan... by hyperman1 on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @04:48PM (#36977178)
It reminds me of Max Gergel's Isopropyl bromide book:

When Hildebrand ran the baths the silver came out bright, and stuck to the objects; the minute he left troubles started. No one knew why. Shortly before he left to go into the antique business in Charleston he showed me the secret. It was his chewing tobacco, spat into the bath from time to time. From then on, one man in each shift chewed, and the problem was solved

Re:LK99: Team of Southeast University observed zero resistan... by alephnerd on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @05:25PM (#36977761)
What's the name of this book? It sounds really cool!

Any other recommendations on books about the history of MatSE/Chemistry?

Re:LK99: Team of Southeast University observed zero resistan... by grandpa on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @05:38PM (#36977973)
The title is "Excuse me sir, would you like to buy a kilo of isopropyl bromide?"

https://archive.org/details/gergel_isopropyl_bromide

Re:LK99: Team of Southeast University observed zero resistan... by alephnerd on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @05:43PM (#36978053)
Thanks for the rec! Gunna dive into it tonight!
Re:LK99: Team of Southeast University observed zero resistan... by jacquesm on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @05:59PM (#36978261)
That's a hilarious book: "There was a jar which I had not noticed before containing potassium metal. I knew that potassium was a silvery metal, but this was one inch spheres, green with the oil in which they were immersed. I removed two for a collection of elements we were starting at Columbia High, scraped off the oil and put the marbles in my handkerchief which I added to a collection of miscellaneous glassware in my back pocket. "

Oops... I can see where that is headed.

Re:LK99: Team of Southeast University observed zero resistan... by jeremiahbuckley on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @08:39PM (#36979856)
Oh man, you are in for a treat! This was a terrific read even though I probably only understood 1/3rd of it.

Ignition! By John D. Clark

https://www.amazon.com/Ignition-audiobook/dp/B07CTW1M9D/ref=...

Or, maybe you’ve already read it, in which case: great job. Maybe someone else will see this comment and enjoy it.

I don’t want to spoil if for you, but I loved the last paragraph. I believe a new heroic age for the field is dawning.

Re:LK99: Team of Southeast University observed zero resistan... by alephnerd on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @11:22PM (#36980969)
Oh dang! This has been on my reading list for years! Definetly looking forward to checking it out!!!
Re:LK99: Team of Southeast University observed zero resistan... by jeremiahbuckley on Thursday August 03, 2023 @12:40PM (#36988212)
My last chemistry class was in high school, so I had to glide over a lot of the details. But the story is still awesome even with liberal skimming of chem reaction details.

This book is probably helping me cope with the extreme confusion of all the various LK-99 attempts. Like, it's going to be a hugely messy confusion and slog with lots of results that are "blend-A can meet 5 of the 7 requirements, but not the important ones. blend-B can meet 3 of the 7, but one of the important ones. blend-C looks very promising but doesn't quite meet any of the requirements." for... years.

Re:LK99: Team of Southeast University observed zero resistan... by lambdasquirrel on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @04:50PM (#36977197)
According to wikipedia, that was observed by the original team in Korea.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LK-99#Replication_attempts

> Claimed to have synthesized LK-99 and to have measured superconductivity up to a temperature of 110 kelvin. Claimed to have observed an abrupt drop in resistance between ~300K and 220K, aligning with the Korean LKK team's results. Claimed to have confirmed structural consistency with x-ray diffraction.

Re:LK99: Team of Southeast University observed zero resistan... by jacquesm on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @05:23PM (#36977713)
Yes, but it does not drop nearly as far and there is the suggestion of equipment malfunction while at the same time that gear seems to work just fine around -110 C.
Re:LK99: Team of Southeast University observed zero resistan... by pama on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @06:06PM (#36978372)
Just a word of caution that Wikipedia entries around LK99 are unusually poor at this point in time. The citation of an attempt to publish it in Nature in 2020 is completely made up when the original Korean only mentions in passing a completely different paper that was withdrawn from Nature at the time. I hope the understandable excitement around this new invention will allow for a correct eventual accounting of the events.
Re:LK99: Team of Southeast University observed zero resistan... by scarmig on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @02:57PM (#36975371)
Bismuth is a strong diamagnet, and it can enter a superconducting state (at a fraction of a degree above zero), so it's not impossible. (And lots of materials are weak diamagnets and superconduct at some point.) So it wouldn't be unheard of. That said, LK-99 would definitely be an object of lots of research if it does have those properties.
Re:LK99: Team of Southeast University observed zero resistan... by depereo on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @04:55PM (#36977288)
I would say any results that are already out are from people speedrunning production; give it another six or so days and there will be a ton of labs that have managed to produce various, better samples and will have performed decent experimentation on these.
Re:LK99: Team of Southeast University observed zero resistan... by Obi_Juan_Kenobi on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @05:55PM (#36978205)
The premise is flawed because that assumes the samples they are studying are identical.

Replication is difficult, and particularly difficult for novel processes where the important variables are not well understood. It could be that the methods were reported as accurately as possible but still leave out critical detail(s).

Re:LK99: Team of Southeast University observed zero resistan... by zamalek on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @06:14PM (#36978482)
The strength of the diamagnetism would be extremely anomalous if it were not a superconductor, and would need new physics/names - super-diamagnetism or something (which itself would still be very useful). The chances of it being new physical phenomena is vanishingly small - we're almost definitely seeing superconductivity at STP with this degree of diamagnetism.
Re:LK99: Team of Southeast University observed zero resistan... by tigershark on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @06:31PM (#36978688)
Exactly. And from the various videos it doesn’t seem diamagnetic at all because it floats in a stationary way on a single planar magnet. Diamagnetic material can’t do that, they need an array of magnets.